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Worst Rappers to have a classic album...
M Dogg™:
No Limit was not the first independent label to go big. The problem with the narrative Master P sells is that it forgets that Death Row was an independent, he really copied Eazy E'z blueprint as Ruthless being an independent and even used Priority which worked with all independents in distribution deals.
I wrote a LOT about this in old Junkyards about this time period. What you are talking about in terms of independent influence also is unfounded. No Limit was one of the LAST independents to do major deals. You forget about Def Jam being an independent label, I'd say Rap-A-Lot Records was WAY more important for promoting southern rap and it was an independent label, Luke Records, which crossed over with Anquette. In the late-90's, record labels were merging with major labels as major labels saw that Hip-Hop was more than a fade so they wanted a larger piece of it. RCA took greater control of Jive, Warner Bros. took greater control of Tommy Boy, EMI bought Priority Records in 1998, Interscope Records was bought by MCA in 1995 (Interscope itself was considered an independent label as they focused on alternative rock and hip-hop and really had no major label backing), Def Jam Records was merged into MCA Records in 1998. The game was changing, and Master P did what he could to keep No Limit afloat as an independent label. But Master P had very little to do with how independent labels operate, other than do what was already done.
With all of that said, there is not much to support any Master P album being called classic other than a small number of people want it to be a classic. With that said, you can find a small number of people who want almost any artist to have their album be called a classic. You can find a bunch of 16 year olds right now who'd call Drake's Take Care a classic. It's the closest he has to a classic, but I have seen hardly anyone call it a classic. Maybe in this new world of social media, I'm looking in the wrong places, but I haven't seen it. But I DO know all the old places to look in the 90's, I read them every month. And I saw NO ONE call anything Master P did a classic, and I saw NO ONE call it classic in retrospect. Even Lil' Wayne stuff gets put up in retrospect. But not Master P.
bouli77:
I guess we can agree to disagree but the way No Limit took the game by storm really had a lasting impact and Ice Cream Man and Ghetto D are still references of P's streak.
P was not the first independent label but it was the first of a new era of independent label with COMPLETE freedom, the ability to keep all of his masters, to get a huge advance and get the lion's share of the sales profits. The No Limit/Priority deal was 75/25 which was unheard of at the time except for E-40's deal with Jive and E-40's deal with Jive was modest because E-40 didn't have the success No Limit and Master P reached. Jive was mostly interested in buying market shares. Then came the ridiculous Cash Money deal brokered by the same person behind Master P's deal. It was a very different business model from Def Jam's, Death Row's and Ruthless's. You're right about Rap-a-Lot too.
You're still missing the point about the difference between a "quality" classic and a classic in the original sense of the term though. An album that paved the way and still gets talked about and had a lasting impact one way or another on the culture. Master P doesn't have the most obvious of classics but his successful run is symbolized by two quintessential albums : Ice Cream Man and Ghetto D. Solid albums, excellent for some, mediocre for others but it changed the way rappers promoted their music, the way labels advertised their other music ad features (even though it was started on a more minor scale by Tony Draper).
Same goes for Trap Muzik and Thug Motivation 101 : Let's Get It! We can discuss the actual quality of these albums, but their monumental impact on the culture cannot be denied. They really set a pattern and a standard which has been duplicated and derivated by many influential rappers since.
Sccit:
Sorry, but to say no one calls any of master p's work classic is ridiculous:
http://rapmusic.com/threads/master-p-ghetto-d-classic.1230939/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/411727590909999146/
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Sccit on October 18, 2016, 11:09:25 AM ---Sorry, but to say no one calls any of master p's work classic is ridiculous:
http://rapmusic.com/threads/master-p-ghetto-d-classic.1230939/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/411727590909999146/
--- End quote ---
A forum thread and a pinterest link that doesn't work... hahahaha....
Here are articles that say Drake has a classic.
https://medium.com/@Kperez85/why-drake-s-take-care-will-always-be-a-classic-18f9f69afbed#.yo1u87iyz
http://www.mtv.com/news/1674577/x-factor-astro-drake-take-care/
http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=166865.0
SuperSpider:
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/whats-the-hhbs-consensus-on-how-many-classic-albums-lil-b-has.453930471/page-2
A thread that says at least 3 of Lil B's albums were absolute classics. No pressure
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