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Doggystyle Records is back
Jay Wallace:
--- Quote from: love33 on April 10, 2017, 01:16:17 AM ---I know you do realize Death Row sold over 100 million records worldwide?
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Well aware but most of the records were sold during the peak period with Dr. Dre, Snoop Doggy Dogg, 2Pac, etc. Anything that sold even remotely well after 1997 were albums that either featured those artists or directly created a link to the past work.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 10, 2017, 01:16:17 AM ---You're comparing the Great historical Death Row empire to Snoop's little science experiment.
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This is where you need to stop sipping the cool-aid and pay attention to the context. During the time period where Snoop’s “little science experiment” was active, it was outselling the “Great historical Death Row empire”. You’re so full of hyperbolic bullshit statements when you talk about Death Row yet you don’t acknowledge the real when it comes to how well the opposition was doing.
You’ll talk about one gold album that Death Row put out and try to spin any time one of their artists working with an actual mainstream artist as some MAJOR move yet you’ll downplay what Snoop was actually doing. Granted, the label wasn’t the biggest one in the game at the time but their sales figures, radio plays, media appearances, and so forth were crushing Death Row.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 10, 2017, 01:16:17 AM ---Having a video on Death Row is like playing for the Lakers, even if you sit the bench, you still have claim that you were on the industry's biggest label of the 90's.
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If you had a video or appearance on a Death Row project during the actual period where they were the “biggest label”, you could make that claim. Danny Boy, Mich’elle, Jewell, Rage. All featured on these projects, included in the group picture they shot for Vibe that was used, and worked with Dre, Pac, Snoop, Suge, etc. Once Dre left, Pac died, Suge went to prison, it was no longer the “championship team”. Most of the artists you mentioned were the guys who got played when the stars retired or got traded and the team no longer made the Playoffs.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 10, 2017, 01:16:17 AM ---I'm all cool with Snoop making great music, and I hope his artists can eat -- but he's failed over and over with the CEO hat (it's like Michael Jordan and the Charlotte Bobcats, just can't get the job done).
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Nope. Like I said, Snoop with his own label was doing better at selling records and releasing artists than Suge was doing with Death Row after Snoop left. This is where you can’t remove your groupie-like Death Row bias and simply look at the facts. If Chronic 2000 goes gold, it “rocked the charts” and was about to change the game. When Tha Eastsidaz put out albums that do platinum and gold and actually get mainstream radio play, feature film roles, and so forth, you downplay it as “failing”.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 10, 2017, 01:16:17 AM ---A ton of his artists said he only cared about marketing his own stuff and looked at them as bread crumbs and never got the push.
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The exact same can be said of Suge. To the credit of Snoop, at least, he was an actual artist with an established plantinum-selling fan base. Was he the best CEO ever? Not really but many artists fall into this trap. The fact remains he had far more significant success at it from 1999-2004 than Suge did.
love33:
--- Quote ---This is where you need to stop sipping the cool-aid and pay attention to the context. During the time period where Snoop’s “little science experiment” was active, it was outselling the “Great historical Death Row empire”. You’re so full of hyperbolic bullshit statements when you talk about Death Row yet you don’t acknowledge the real when it comes to how well the opposition was doing.
You’ll talk about one gold album that Death Row put out and try to spin any time one of their artists working with an actual mainstream artist as some MAJOR move yet you’ll downplay what Snoop was actually doing. Granted, the label [Doggystyle Records] wasn’t the biggest one in the game at the time but their sales figures, radio plays, media appearances, and so forth were crushing Death Row.
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This is where you're BADLY MISTAKEN -- 2Pac alone with "Until The End of Time" and "Better Dayz" were #1 Best Sellers and DESTROYED anything on Snoop's little label -- Snoop's best Doggystyle non-Snoop album by Far without Master P doing all the work and overseeing production, was Tha Eastsidaz album -- "G'd Up" was a great song and "Got Beef" was okay.
Death Row's "House of Blues" album and "Nu Mixx" album were better than ANYTHING and outsold past Eastsidaz -- Soopafly's BEST WORK was done on Death Row "Dat Whoopty Whoop" album, and he never came close to matching it
You have to be kidding me if you can say with a straight face that Snoop, who was a great artist but terrible CEO, had anything on Suge Knight's EMPIRE that ran the whole entire West Coast -- look at today's game, nobody even comes close to Death Row's success except for Cash Money Records, who has been the top label in recent years
Kxng Crooked talks about it over and over again...at his shows, in interviews, etc. that being on Death Row is something of a whole nother level, he even did an ALBUM about it ("Life After Death Row") -- Death Row ran MTV in the 90s, Snoop was a part of that success Snoop on his own had one good album "Eastsidaz" -- what you're saying with Snoop is like saying ANTRA Records was better than Death Row -- that's laughable
Death Row had a superstar cabinet of talent -- 2Pac and N.I.N.A. alone are better than ANYTHING on Snoop's label -- then you throw in Kurupt, Crooked I, Eastwood, Danny Boy, and Ray J and it's game over -- talent for talent, Death Row clowned allover Snoop's label, who he could never push another artist where Suge successfully pushed 100 million units
Jay Wallace:
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ---This is where you're BADLY MISTAKEN -- 2Pac alone with "Until The End of Time" and "Better Dayz" were #1 Best Sellers and DESTROYED anything on Snoop's little label
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2Pac music was catalog music from Death Row’s peak period. 2Pac wasn’t an active artist on the new Row label. He was an artist who died so they used his music whenever they could. “R U Still Down” outsold both those albums and that was just Amaru producing it. Death Row had next to no creative involvement when it came to the updated production on “Better Dayz” either. None of the artist roster or in-house producers were featured. People were buying Pac because it was Pac, not because it was Death Row. You can make the argument that at least, Death Row had credit to those two hit albums but they hardly destroyed Snoop’s “little label”.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM --- Snoop's best Doggystyle non-Snoop album by Far without Master P doing all the work and overseeing production, was Tha Eastsidaz album -- "G'd Up" was a great song and "Got Beef" was okay.
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That’s your opinion. Success by record label standards is dictated by record sales, not by what you thought his best albums were. Outside of the fact that Eastsidaz’ debut album was a successful album. They were also featured on magazine covers (front cover/featured article in The Source), movies (Baby Boy, The Wash), soundtracks/compilations (Baby Boy, 3 Strikes, WWF rap album), Howard Stern show appearances, guest appearance on Snoop’s hit, “Lay Low”, and their very own VHS/DVD movie. They also got to tour with everybody else on “Up in Smoke”. Nobody from later era Death Row can even come close to saying that.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ---Death Row's "House of Blues" album and "Nu Mixx" album were better than ANYTHING and outsold past Eastsidaz.
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Nu Mixx was complete garbage. “House of Blues” was never meant to be released as a live album and you can tell by the sound quality. Pac is one of the greatest artists in hip-hop and possibly my favorite but the live recording does nothing for me. As for sales, I couldn’t tell ya. You have a link for the sales figures on those?
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ---Soopafly's BEST WORK was done on Death Row "Dat Whoopty Whoop" album
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Whoopty Whoop never came out on Death Row. If Daz didn’t put it out on his own label, we would have heard like two or three songs from Soopafly at Death Row.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ---You have to be kidding me if you can say with a straight face that Snoop, who was a great artist but terrible CEO, had anything on Suge Knight's EMPIRE that ran the whole entire West Coast.
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It wasn’t Suge’s EMPIRE. Their most successful period as a label was when Dr. Dre was overseeing the music and Snoop was on the label. Once Pac died, they never recovered. They had some amazing talent come through but the label never put anything out and the stuff it did release never hit like the old, classic stuff.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ---Look at today's game, nobody even comes close to Death Row's success except for Cash Money Records, who has been the top label in recent years
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As I explained in a prior thread, judging the music industry today against the music industry during Death Row’s heyday would be misleading. It’s a different time. The market is significantly smaller. If you were to look at labels with longevity in the era where physical music still sold and there were still channels that played music videos, the competition would be a little tougher.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ---Kxng Crooked talks about it over and over again...at his shows, in interviews, etc. that being on Death Row is something of a whole nother level, he even did an ALBUM about it ("Life After Death Row")
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“Life After Death Row” wasn’t an album, it was a DVD.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ---Death Row ran MTV in the 90s, Snoop was a part of that success. Snoop on his own had one good album "Eastsidaz".
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From the year Doggystyle Records was launched through 2005, it produced five albums that received platinum certification and two that got gold plaques. It’s put out eight albums that have peaked in the top 20 of the Billboard charts.
By comparison since launching the new era of Death Row with “Chronic 2000” in 1999 until its last album of new studio material in 2005, it produced two albums that received platinum plaques (both 2Pac), and one that went gold. Only those three and one another Pac release (Nu Mixx) peaked in the top 20. Only one album released in this time period was not built around material recorded from a previous era in the label’s history.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ---Death Row had a superstar cabinet of talent -- 2Pac and N.I.N.A. alone are better than ANYTHING on Snoop's label.
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2Pac was not part of the “superstar cabinet” in the new era. He was gone. He was a guy who left behind some recordings that Death Row owned a percentage on. N.I.N.A. was a talented artist as Left Eye in TLC but as a solo artist on Death Row, she released maybe two songs.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM --- -- what you're saying with Snoop is like saying ANTRA Records was better than Death Row -- that's laughable
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Weak remedial-ass comparison. Antra never really got off the ground as anything but a label for Kurupt to release his own solo projects. It lasted three or four years then folded. Not a single platinum album. Stop embarrassing yourself with this shit.
--- Quote from: love33 on April 24, 2017, 12:03:19 AM ----- then you throw in Kurupt, Crooked I, Eastwood, Danny Boy, and Ray J and it's game over.
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None of those artists even put out an album on Death Row, besides Kurupt, who was already off the label by the time that it ended up in stores. Ray J was never signed to Death Row.
love33:
--- Quote ---Ray J was never signed to Death Row.
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Ray J was signed as a group with Eastwood, Young Roscoe, & Tri-Star
Death Row didn't have a shortage of talent with J Valentine, PB (Pretty Boy), U-Gang aka Horseshoe Gang's Jim Gettum & Darren Vegas, Above The Law, Swoop G, Last Circle (Realest's Group with Queenie, VK, Twist, etc.), Terror Twinz, El Dorado, Mac Shawn, SKG, Soopafly, J. Valentine, N.I.N.A, Kurupt, Eastwood, Dre'sta, Unreleased 2Pac, Spider Loc, etc.
Relativez, Juvenile, and Boo Ya T.R.I.B.E. also almost signed and were close associates
--- Quote ---2Pac wasn’t an active artist on the new Row label. He was an artist who died so they used his music whenever they could.
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They marketed Pac as an active artist and he was regularly mixed on the artists new albums -- Pac was featured on some of the main artwork, and he was always put on the page as an active artist -- they even clipart him in on some of the second gen artwork -- they mashed his verses into Top Dogg, N.I.N.A., Eastwood, the new Kurupt stuff, Crooked I, etc. -- Afeni wanted Pac mixed with Eminem and Jazze Pha, while Suge wanted him on then new artists stuff and with Kurupt -- Pac also appeared on "Against The Grain" if I'm not mistaken
--- Quote ---N.I.N.A. was a talented artist as Left Eye in TLC but as a solo artist on Death Row, she released maybe two songs.
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N.I.N.A. had LOTS of songs recorded with Crooked I ("Universal Quest", "Let Me Live", Kurupt ("Friends", "Rags to Riches," , 2Pac ("Untouchable"), Juvenile, Bobby Valentino, Eastwood ("Block Party," "Life"), Danny Boy, etc. -- Crooked I did a lot of stuff with her, he would talk about it sometimes being in the studio with her -- N.I.N.A. was a complete artist and she was more talented than any artist on Doggystyle Records with the exception of Snoop -- It's really a shame she passed because her and Kurupt would've broke the newer artists and then follow with Crooked I then Eastwood, and throw a Pac album in there and you have a nice stable, as good as Murder Inc, Mystikal, Clipse, or anything really that came out in that time period
--- Quote ---None of those artists even put out an album on Death Row, besides Kurupt, who was already off the label by the time that it ended up in stores.
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Crooked I "Hood Star" dropped years later, and OFTB dropped years later
Okka:
"Snoop Dogg Presents Tha Eastsidaz" and "Duces & Trayz: The Old Fashioned Way" are better albums than anything that came out of Death Row Records after the Makaveli album.
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