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Bishop Lamont, Dre, Detox, What Could've Been And What It Was...
Detox Is A Myth!!!:
IMO, the truth is that Dre has been retired for yeeears but came out of retirement to drop "Compton" because he was inspired by the movie, but musically he was clearly inspired by Kendrick. And "Compton" was just poorly conceived from the get go. You see, "The Chronic" and "2001" were amazing to a large degree because they revolutionized the musical sound of hip hop when they dropped. In contrast, "Compton" didn't revolutionize anything -- it was just Dr. Dre trying to do a Kendrick Lamar album. As soon as Dre conceived that approach to "Compton" somebody around him like Jimmy Iovine should have squashed it. But I figure Interscope didn't promote the album because they knew it wasn't anything special, so they just decided to drop it and let it breath or die organically without a big push.
I think of Dre as the Michael Jordan of hip hop. And both their solo careers can be seen as equivalent in many respects:
MJ up until he started winning championships was an athletic marvel, but if you remember, the jury was still out on whether he could win a championship = Dre up until Death Row (a phenomenal producer, but the jury was still out on whether he could do it on his own without a crew like NWA)
"The Chronic" = MJ's first three-peat ... both guys prove definitively that they are the best in the game and can't be touched
Dre leaves Death Row, experiences some turbulence with Aftermath Presents album = MJ's baseball fiasco, coming bacc out of shape to lose to the Magic in '95. Doubters start to raise their voices.
"2001" = MJ's second three-peat ... Their game style has changed but they again ascend bacc to the mountain top and change the game yet again
"Compton" = MJ on the Washington Wizards ... They both come out of retirement, pretty much washed up and a shell of themselves, if you squint hard enough you can see flashes of their former greatness, but they can't pull it off like they used to anymore
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Does "Compton," a forgetable Kendrick derivation with unmemorable lyrics and a "hopping on the bandwagon" production style hurt Dre's legacy? Not for me. When all is said and done, very few people will look bacc and even mention "Compton" -- it will be a footnote in Dre's career recap column, just as MJ's two years on the Wizards were.
sheparali:
"Compton" a classic??! Lmaoooooo...yall lick Dre's asshole waaaay too much in this forum
HighEyeCue:
--- Quote from: sheparali on June 13, 2017, 07:34:55 AM ---"Compton" a classic??! Lmaoooooo...yall lick Dre's asshole waaaay too much in this forum
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Yeah far from classic but not as bad as some make it out to be either
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Detox Is A Myth!!! on June 13, 2017, 06:58:49 AM ---IMO, the truth is that Dre has been retired for yeeears but came out of retirement to drop "Compton" because he was inspired by the movie, but musically he was clearly inspired by Kendrick. And "Compton" was just poorly conceived from the get go. You see, "The Chronic" and "2001" were amazing to a large degree because they revolutionized the musical sound of hip hop when they dropped. In contrast, "Compton" didn't revolutionize anything -- it was just Dr. Dre trying to do a Kendrick Lamar album. As soon as Dre conceived that approach to "Compton" somebody around him like Jimmy Iovine should have squashed it. But I figure Interscope didn't promote the album because they knew it wasn't anything special, so they just decided to drop it and let it breath or die organically without a big push.
I think of Dre as the Michael Jordan of hip hop. And both their solo careers can be seen as equivalent in many respects:
MJ up until he started winning championships was an athletic marvel, but if you remember, the jury was still out on whether he could win a championship = Dre up until Death Row (a phenomenal producer, but the jury was still out on whether he could do it on his own without a crew like NWA)
"The Chronic" = MJ's first three-peat ... both guys prove definitively that they are the best in the game and can't be touched
Dre leaves Death Row, experiences some turbulence with Aftermath Presents album = MJ's baseball fiasco, coming bacc out of shape to lose to the Magic in '95. Doubters start to raise their voices.
"2001" = MJ's second three-peat ... Their game style has changed but they again ascend bacc to the mountain top and change the game yet again
"Compton" = MJ on the Washington Wizards ... They both come out of retirement, pretty much washed up and a shell of themselves, if you squint hard enough you can see flashes of their former greatness, but they can't pull it off like they used to anymore
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Does "Compton," a forgetable Kendrick derivation with unmemorable lyrics and a "hopping on the bandwagon" production style hurt Dre's legacy? Not for me. When all is said and done, very few people will look bacc and even mention "Compton" -- it will be a footnote in Dre's career recap column, just as MJ's two years on the Wizards were.
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i like your analogy, but id say compton is like a wilt on the lakers .. not at his best, no longer revolutionizing the game, but still delivered.
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--- Quote from: Detox Is A Myth!!! on June 13, 2017, 06:58:49 AM ---IMO, the truth is that Dre has been retired for yeeears but came out of retirement to drop "Compton" because he was inspired by the movie, but musically he was clearly inspired by Kendrick. And "Compton" was just poorly conceived from the get go. You see, "The Chronic" and "2001" were amazing to a large degree because they revolutionized the musical sound of hip hop when they dropped. In contrast, "Compton" didn't revolutionize anything -- it was just Dr. Dre trying to do a Kendrick Lamar album. As soon as Dre conceived that approach to "Compton" somebody around him like Jimmy Iovine should have squashed it. But I figure Interscope didn't promote the album because they knew it wasn't anything special, so they just decided to drop it and let it breath or die organically without a big push.
I think of Dre as the Michael Jordan of hip hop. And both their solo careers can be seen as equivalent in many respects:
MJ up until he started winning championships was an athletic marvel, but if you remember, the jury was still out on whether he could win a championship = Dre up until Death Row (a phenomenal producer, but the jury was still out on whether he could do it on his own without a crew like NWA)
"The Chronic" = MJ's first three-peat ... both guys prove definitively that they are the best in the game and can't be touched
Dre leaves Death Row, experiences some turbulence with Aftermath Presents album = MJ's baseball fiasco, coming bacc out of shape to lose to the Magic in '95. Doubters start to raise their voices.
"2001" = MJ's second three-peat ... Their game style has changed but they again ascend bacc to the mountain top and change the game yet again
"Compton" = MJ on the Washington Wizards ... They both come out of retirement, pretty much washed up and a shell of themselves, if you squint hard enough you can see flashes of their former greatness, but they can't pull it off like they used to anymore
----
Does "Compton," a forgetable Kendrick derivation with unmemorable lyrics and a "hopping on the bandwagon" production style hurt Dre's legacy? Not for me. When all is said and done, very few people will look bacc and even mention "Compton" -- it will be a footnote in Dre's career recap column, just as MJ's two years on the Wizards were.
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Excellent analogy that sums it all up perfectly, great. Thing is some people are just full on groupie mode for Dre and can't see/hear the truth when it right in front of them and that is that this album has Dre sounding washed on so many levels. As I mentioned his sneaking it out alongside SOC to attempt to piggyback the hype whilst simultaneously hiding its release shows his lack of faith in it as we're talking about "Dre the perfectionist who records a 100 takes, picks the best one, compiles an album and then shelves it because its not up to his impeccable standards" here and this weedplate was just a sacrifice album to clear Detox out of the system as it had served its billion dollar unicorn purpose, hence the Compton sacrifice album.
--- Quote from: Sccit on June 13, 2017, 10:28:12 AM ---i like your analogy, but id say compton is like a wilt on the lakers .. not at his best, no longer revolutionizing the game, but still delivered.
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Just let it go, one man army of stans, let it go ;D We get it, Dre could release a blank CD and you'd be all up on how revolutionary and well mixed it was and how we were just behind on game and not smart enough to appreciate what he's saying ;)
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