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33-12-10....on 56%
Sccit:
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--- Quote from: DeeezNuuuts83 on June 14, 2017, 11:31:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 13, 2017, 02:18:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 13, 2017, 07:22:12 AM ---Also, don't put a GOAT next to LeBron when you have MJ at 41ppg, 8rpg, and 6apg.
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If I was you champ, I'd probably steer far, far away from statistics & just ride or die the idiotic 6/6 argument with the rest of the sheep.
Couple years, no statistic will be in Jordan's favor.
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But 6/6 is a pretty nice statistic, one that I don't think anyone else looks capable of beating.
Lebron's great but he's no goat, and still isn't there yet. This past finals further strengthened that argument.
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It's actually insane lol. I get MDogg is just riding the "I'm a Laker fan...I just care about them so I'll take the rings" copout; but what it really means is you think MJ not being good enough without help to get through the Celtics or Pistons in the late 80's is more impressive than 22 year old LeBron single handedly beating the Pistons in '07 & then losing to a team three times better in the Spurs in the Finals.
All the things left in Jordan's corner is "6/6", "pure scorer", "killer instinct", "ultimate competitor" & a couple other intangible phrases that don't speak to who is clearly a better basketball player.
Face the reality of the sheer hatred of LeBron, Finals record has never been a thing. I remember after Kobe won his 4th title he was 4-2 & the only conversation was "if he gets to 6, is he better than MJ?". There was no reference of losing. MJ has & will likely have more accolades, but a simple unbiased eye test shows the better all around basketball player. You can give MJ the "heart of a warrior" accolade lol.
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lmao
the eye test favors kobe n mj in every facet outside of physique
better midrange?
better shooter?
better post game?
better handles?
better footwork?
better defense?
better free throw?
all these go to kobe n mj wit no questions .. lebron is considered a better passer and that's it. even that's not true in reality. kobe is a much more skilled passer than lebron. lebron, being the pass-first beta that he is, is simply a more WILLING passer. if kobe was a pass-first player ala lebron, he'd average 10 assists minimum.
face it, ur king accumulated statistics on the strength of never playing in an equal opportunity offense. he's nowhere near the goats, and u know this. he's the reason the series isn't still going on .. game 3 was in his hands and gs went on an 11-0 run to end the game as he shrunk in the moment, hoping for korver to bail him out, getting stripped by iggy, missing 7 footers. lmao
ur king is a stat padding choke artist. stop saving face.
Chamillitary Click:
You've eliminated your opinion from validity 6 years ago lmao. Eye test isn't close. You took something like handles...something completely subjective. Then said 3 point shooter...Kobe & MJ shot 33% for his career, LeBron is shooting 37% for his career & somehow (in year 14) only getting better by the year. So you're just making shit up.
Speaking of "year 14", I'll keep throwing this at you as long as you wanna keep talking...you nutted because Kobe scored averaged 40 points for a week in year 14 or 15. My nigga Bron is averaging triple doubles in the NBA Finals lmfao.
It's such a skewed view to put Game 3 on Bron lol. Like that's insane. I get he's the GOAT so eyes turn to him. But we're talking about the best team put together ever. Like Showtime Lakers, 80's Celts, Mike's Bulls, the Bad Boys, Lakers both times, Bron's Heat...nobody is beating this current Warriors team. They did what they do, went on a run. It shows how far Durant is behind Bron.
Because you know if Kobe won a Final game over LeBron your narrative is "hey man, that's Bean...HE WON the game" & it wouldn't be "LeBron lost it"...but nobody on GS (or in the history of the league) individually is better than LeBron, so the natural finger is to point at LeBron & say he lost. It's simple, fam.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 16, 2017, 04:34:25 PM ---You've eliminated your opinion from validity 6 years ago lmao. Eye test isn't close. You took something like handles...something completely subjective. Then said 3 point shooter...Kobe & MJ shot 33% for his career, LeBron is shooting 37% for his career & somehow (in year 14) only getting better by the year. So you're just making shit up.
Speaking of "year 14", I'll keep throwing this at you as long as you wanna keep talking...you nutted because Kobe scored averaged 40 points for a week in year 14 or 15. My nigga Bron is averaging triple doubles in the NBA Finals lmfao.
It's such a skewed view to put Game 3 on Bron lol. Like that's insane. I get he's the GOAT so eyes turn to him. But we're talking about the best team put together ever. Like Showtime Lakers, 80's Celts, Mike's Bulls, the Bad Boys, Lakers both times, Bron's Heat...nobody is beating this current Warriors team. They did what they do, went on a run. It shows how far Durant is behind Bron.
Because you know if Kobe won a Final game over LeBron your narrative is "hey man, that's Bean...HE WON the game" & it wouldn't be "LeBron lost it"...but nobody on GS (or in the history of the league) individually is better than LeBron, so the natural finger is to point at LeBron & say he lost. It's simple, fam.
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this is where the eye test comes in to test, weirdo...only a dumb piece of shit would argue that lebron is a better shooter than kobe or mj. teams give lebron the three, so all his looks are wide opened. he's guarded for the drive. kobe and mj were double teamed as soon as they passed the half court line. and how is handles subjective? smfh. i guess we cant assess who has better handles between javale mcgee and kyrie irving then..u dont know shit from a monkeys ass, young'n.
then again, im talking to someone who thinks that warriors could beat the showtime lakers lmfao...we talkin bout a team that features 2 top 5 players all time in magic and kareem. the goat pg and the goat center. who the fuck would guard kareem? u dont know basketball, brodie. thats all there is to it...keep nutting over empty stats tho, if thats what helps u sleep at night.
https://fteswl.com/2017/06/15/is-lebron-james-a-top-10-player/
Sccit:
btw, lebron is 34% from three on his career, not 37%.....and he shoots a putrid 36% outside of the paint. disgusting.
DeeezNuuuts83:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 14, 2017, 04:37:01 PM ---All the things left in Jordan's corner is "6/6", "pure scorer", "killer instinct", "ultimate competitor" & a couple other intangible phrases that don't speak to who is clearly a better basketball player.
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You forgot to put "greatest" on that list.
Stats are great because they are objective, but unfortunately that's what makes them so easy to be surpassed since all you need to do is beat them by 1, so it's hard to put so much stock into them. They help contribute toward arguments for or against a player, but they don't determine who is better. It just determines efficiency, for the most part.
The intangibles play a big role, just as they do in any other arena. The Bugatti Veyron shattered every measurable aspect of performance of the McLaren F1 (and pretty much every other car as well), but the McLaren F1 is still regarded as the greatest supercar of all time. Life After Death got five mics in The Source and (initially) outsold All Eyez on Me, but does that mean that it was better just based on some reviews and album sales? Nope.
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 14, 2017, 04:37:01 PM ---Face the reality of the sheer hatred of LeBron, Finals record has never been a thing. I remember after Kobe won his 4th title he was 4-2 & the only conversation was "if he gets to 6, is he better than MJ?". There was no reference of losing. MJ has & will likely have more accolades, but a simple unbiased eye test shows the better all around basketball player. You can give MJ the "heart of a warrior" accolade lol.
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But Kobe still won another one after that. But he didn't get to six, and the conversation was never brought up after that. Again, even if he got to six, it wouldn't mean that he matched or surpassed Jordan in terms of greatness, it just brings up the conversation and invites the debate. In this day and age, I don't expect people to go undefeated in championship appearances to consider them in contention for being the greatest, but just have a favorable record at least. Look at Tom Brady, him going 5-2 in the Super Bowl plays a huge role in that discussion. Change that to 4-3, and it weakens the argument a lot.
Again, stats are great because they are objective, but they don't mean as much as you want them to. And personally when those kinds of stats are brought up, unless it's brought up to debunk false information, if it's all that's being mentioned, it's what losers bring up. Yes, Lebron averaging a triple-double through the finals is an amazing stat. But in the end, does that matter that much? Do you think he would have been fine not average a triple-double if it meant that he made some changes to his game that would have resulted in the Cavs winning? I would think so. I'm sure Westbrook is thrilled with having set the record for triple-doubles during the season, but I don't think he finds a lot of comfort in that after losing to the Rockets, just like how the Warriors' 73-9 season last year lost a lot of relevance after they didn't win.
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