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Gonzoe bitter over not being mentioned in the 2Pac movie
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--- Quote from: donfathaimmortal on June 17, 2017, 03:00:11 AM ---To me, "Tupac : Resurection" will always be the best 2PAC biopic.
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That movie was so excellent, a really well done and put together testament to 2Pac in his own words, no less. Very impressive stuff.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: donfathaimmortal on June 17, 2017, 03:00:11 AM ---To me, "Tupac : Resurection" will always be the best 2PAC biopic.
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wasnt that a documentary? not a biopic
Blood$:
--- Quote from: Jay Wallace on June 16, 2017, 09:40:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Blood$ on June 16, 2017, 06:18:58 PM ---cable movie is a stretch but I'll admit I did expect a little more, at the same time I took it for what it was and I think overall they still did a good job, I'm sure once it comes out on DVD there will be a longer director's cut like every other movie that drops... in terms of the story-line and sticking to the facts it trumps Get Rich Or Die Trying, Notorious, and Straight Outta Compton unquestionably
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Get Rich or Die Trying should not even be considered part of the conversation. That falls in line with something like 8-Mile. They aren't biopics, they are fictional films loosely based on the lives of their stars. You may think cable movie is a stretch but given the strength of how cable films are produced, these days, I don't. I think both this and Notorious have cable movie production values. Straight Outta Compton has a lot of the same script problems as the other two but they hired an accomplished director and spent their money in all the right places.
Sticking to facts is almost a moot point when you're not using them to enhance the narrative of the movie. All Eyez is the worst offender to this in terms of not having a cohesive vision. We know Dre wasn't the hard ass who stood up to Suge in the Death Row offices in "Straight Outta Compton" but for the purposes of the story, it's at least consistent with the direction they are going. Movies (even documentaries) use creative license. That's just the reality of the medium. As long as they are consistent with the story they tell, I'm good.
As far as sticking to facts, I don't exactly think All Eyez is the gold standard to be held to either. Jada has already come out and said that nearly everything portrayed in the film about her and Pac's relationship was made up for the movie. This would be fine if it played a bigger part in whatever they were going for but I never quite understood it myself. It feels like the only reason they put her in the movie is because it's a fun coincidence that two kids who met each other in art school as nobodies end up becoming two of the biggest stars in the entertainment industry. Their relationship doesn't drive the film. She's essentially there because she was famous. Pac's relationship with Dre is another fabricated holdover from Straight Outta Compton. They were business acquaintances who created a hit song together and then had a bitter falling out. This movie makes it seem like Dre left and Tupac didn't even know about it. In reality, he was the mouthpiece for Suge during Dre's departure. The events surrounding the sexual assault case and trial also great differ from the public testimonies of both Pac and his accuser.
If people are looking for a good film about Pac, go with Tupac: Resurrection. It cuts out all the melodrama with actors stopping to mug for the camera in the middle of chaotic poverty, violence, and/or injustice to give these contrived Oscar clips as if the real people thought there was a historical stenographer hiding behind them with a typewriter. Resurrection shows the importance of Pac and lets him speak in his own words. This movie, by comparison, was made by people who either didn't understand what made Tupac unique or weren't willing to battle to get those aspects up on the screen.
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I only mentioned 50 because he's the one who is all of a sudden the expert movie critic and it's ironic he would criticize the 2Pac movie but take a look at this (which he had a hand in producing) :laugh:
to each their own, you didn't enjoy the movie for what it was and I did, but you can't compare a biopic to a documentary though
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Jay Wallace:
--- Quote from: Blood$ on June 17, 2017, 09:33:32 AM ---I only mentioned 50 because he's the one who is all of a sudden the expert movie critic and it's ironic he would criticize the 2Pac movie
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Couple things...
I don't think it suddenly makes him an expert movie critic. He has an opinion like everybody else.
Why exactly is it ironic that he would criticize the Pac movie?
--- Quote from: Blood$ on June 17, 2017, 09:33:32 AM ---but take a look at this (which he had a hand in producing) :laugh:
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Take a look at what? Not following you.
--- Quote from: Blood$ on June 17, 2017, 09:33:32 AM ---to each their own, you didn't enjoy the movie for what it was and I did
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That's fair enough on all counts but you have to take that energy with everything.
--- Quote from: Blood$ on June 17, 2017, 09:33:32 AM ---you can't compare a biopic to a documentary though
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I'll concede to the fact that they are two drastically different means of filmmaking but it's less about comparing them on a level of which was better or worse as it explaining how in my view, there wasn't a necessity to have a Tupac biopic when there was already a perfectly well-made film to showcase his legacy. It also works as a rebuff to those who make the argument that it is impossible to fit Pac's life/career into a two-hour movie.
--- Quote from: Blood$ on June 17, 2017, 09:33:32 AM ---sidenote:
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But okay, like we've been saying, everyone is entitled to their opinion. With a movie like this, you get both sides of the extremes. Is Game all of a sudden an "extreme movie critic" for saying this? Are you going to try and use whatever films he produced or worked on to downsize his point or create an agenda for why he feels this way? This is what I am getting at with your comments on 50 and Gonzoe. They can HATE the movie without having to do with anything but not liking it. The same way Game can LOVE the movie. The problem I have is people don't want to acknowledge that and when someone says it's disappointing, it's suddenly like everyone has to have a field day with how wrong they are. It's just an opinion.
Blood$:
take a look at his* (movie), and by that all I'm saying is 50 has no place to criticize the movie when it was better than his
typo, bruh
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