ICE CUBE - MAN DOWN (Offical Discussion)

[Rubinho]

that part

and i’m not a big fan of steve bannon or tucker carlson so i’m not too sure whats true and what isn’t

but most of the stuff he’s tryna put on trump for bein “racist” is all either hearsay or has been disproven

what’s more racist than all that combined is kamala puttin on a fake blackcent when talkin to black people or talking about washing collard greens while bumping pac in college because she thinks black people are dumb enough to eat up her bullshit


or joe biden telling black people that they’re not black if they don’t vote for him


but if cube sat down wit those two, i guarantee safe+sound wouldn’t say shit




jus sayin

Don't forget Obama telling black people to vote voor Kamala just because they are black. It doesn't get more racist than this.

[Safe+Sound]

that part

and i’m not a big fan of steve bannon or tucker carlson so i’m not too sure whats true and what isn’t

but most of the stuff he’s tryna put on trump for bein “racist” is all either hearsay or has been disproven

what’s more racist than all that combined is kamala puttin on a fake blackcent when talkin to black people or talking about washing collard greens while bumping pac in college because she thinks black people are dumb enough to eat up her bullshit


or joe biden telling black people that they’re not black if they don’t vote for him


but if cube sat down wit those two, i guarantee safe+sound wouldn’t say shit




jus sayin

I understand you may not be a fan of Steve Bannon or Tucker Carlson, but it’s important to look at the factual evidence we have on these individuals and their platforms. This isn’t about personal opinions—it’s about the impact of their rhetoric and policies.

As for Trump, it’s not just “hearsay” that shows patterns of racist behavior. Trump’s own actions and statements provide evidence. For example:

   •   The Muslim ban was real policy—not hearsay—and its racial undertones were clear.
   •   His “Mexicans are rapists” comment was broadcasted during his 2016 campaign and was never disproven.
   •   His retweeting of white supremacist posts and his misleading, racially charged crime statistics about “black-on-white crime” is also a matter of record.
        •      Attacking his opponent's racial identity during an appearance at the NABJ conference.
        •      His recent racist conspiracy theory about legal Hatian immigrants in Ohio eating dogs and cats during the presidential debate on live television, which has been debunked by
                the state's Governor and other elected officials.
        •      His final rally at Madison Square Garden last night where he participated in and hosted speakers openly using Nazi rheortic and insulted Latinos, African Americans, and Jews.
               


These aren’t isolated incidents—they reflect a broader pattern of racism, and it’s not about “hearsay.” It’s important to focus on the substantive issues here instead of dismissing these well-documented events.

You brought up Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. We can acknowledge that political figures, including them, have made questionable decisions or statements. But that doesn’t negate the evidence I’ve provided about Trump and others actively engaging in harmful rhetoric and actions that perpetuate systemic racism. The core of this conversation is about systematic racism and how it ties into some of the decisions Ice Cube has made in his dealings with those who perpetuate it, not whataboutism.

To your point about Ice Cube meeting with Trump, the critique of systemic racism applies regardless of who sits down with him. Engaging with a politician doesn’t erase their track record on racism.

Also, it seems like there’s a contradiction in your arguments here. In one of your earlier posts, you correctly pointed out that speaking in certain ways or using slang isn’t necessarily tied to race. You said, “the idea of speaking ‘Black’ is a racist concept to begin with,” and that slang is shared across racial lines depending on where you grow up. I agree with that—slang and cultural expressions can be shared by people from different backgrounds.

But now, you’re saying that Kamala Harris using slang, listening to Tupac, or talking about cooking collard greens is “racist.” You can’t have it both ways. If you think it’s wrong to say someone is being “racist” just because they use certain language or adopt cultural practices, why are you now applying that same logic to Harris?

Let’s also remember what the word “racism” actually means. Racism involves power structures, discrimination, and systems of oppression based on race—not simply someone adopting cultural elements. Saying Kamala Harris is “racist” for cooking or speaking a certain way seems like a misunderstanding of what racism actually is. It’s not about whether someone speaks slang or listens to a particular type of music—it’s about whether they’re engaging in behavior that actively discriminates against or harms people based on their race.

We should be careful to apply the term “racism” correctly and not just throw it around whenever someone does something we don’t like. Racism is about the systemic oppression and exclusion of people based on race, not someone talking about collard greens.


Let’s stay focused on the main point.

[Soopafly DPGC]

Very good point, the term 'racism' gets thrown around way too much these days.  Both candidates have said or done things over the years that could come off to some people as racially insensitive.  But neither, candidate in my eyes, are racist people.  Both have passed legislation and done things that a true 'racist' person wouldn't have done. 

Making a joke or comment that is perceived as being racist, then not understanding why it came across as racist, does not mean that person is a racist.  It simply means they are insensitive to others.  Now of course with how sensitive the nation has become, it's hard to say much of anything these days without someone taking offense to it, so you do sort of get immune to it after a while and then attitude develops to where you don't care if people are offended or not.  Good or bad, that's what is beginning to happen. 

[TraceOneInfinite]

what’s more racist than all that combined is kamala puttin on a fake blackcent when talkin to black people or talking about washing collard greens while bumping pac in college because she thinks black people are dumb enough to eat up her bullshit


or joe biden telling black people that they’re not black if they don’t vote for him


but if cube sat down wit those two, i guarantee safe+sound wouldn’t say shit




jus sayin

Word yo and Lord Jammar already exposed Kamala on that Pac shit--he blasted her and pulled up her records--bitch was in college in the fucking 80's before Pac even had music out!!!   She's so full of shit, who actually believes that bitch was sittin in college bumpin Pac -- straight bullshit

[Sccit]

I understand you may not be a fan of Steve Bannon or Tucker Carlson, but it’s important to look at the factual evidence we have on these individuals and their platforms. This isn’t about personal opinions—it’s about the impact of their rhetoric and policies.

As for Trump, it’s not just “hearsay” that shows patterns of racist behavior. Trump’s own actions and statements provide evidence. For example:

   •   The Muslim ban was real policy—not hearsay—and its racial undertones were clear.
   •   His “Mexicans are rapists” comment was broadcasted during his 2016 campaign and was never disproven.
   •   His retweeting of white supremacist posts and his misleading, racially charged crime statistics about “black-on-white crime” is also a matter of record.
        •      Attacking his opponent's racial identity during an appearance at the NABJ conference.
        •      His recent racist conspiracy theory about legal Hatian immigrants in Ohio eating dogs and cats during the presidential debate on live television, which has been debunked by
                the state's Governor and other elected officials.
        •      His final rally at Madison Square Garden last night where he participated in and hosted speakers openly using Nazi rheortic and insulted Latinos, African Americans, and Jews.
               


These aren’t isolated incidents—they reflect a broader pattern of racism, and it’s not about “hearsay.” It’s important to focus on the substantive issues here instead of dismissing these well-documented events.

You brought up Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. We can acknowledge that political figures, including them, have made questionable decisions or statements. But that doesn’t negate the evidence I’ve provided about Trump and others actively engaging in harmful rhetoric and actions that perpetuate systemic racism. The core of this conversation is about systematic racism and how it ties into some of the decisions Ice Cube has made in his dealings with those who perpetuate it, not whataboutism.

To your point about Ice Cube meeting with Trump, the critique of systemic racism applies regardless of who sits down with him. Engaging with a politician doesn’t erase their track record on racism.

Also, it seems like there’s a contradiction in your arguments here. In one of your earlier posts, you correctly pointed out that speaking in certain ways or using slang isn’t necessarily tied to race. You said, “the idea of speaking ‘Black’ is a racist concept to begin with,” and that slang is shared across racial lines depending on where you grow up. I agree with that—slang and cultural expressions can be shared by people from different backgrounds.

But now, you’re saying that Kamala Harris using slang, listening to Tupac, or talking about cooking collard greens is “racist.” You can’t have it both ways. If you think it’s wrong to say someone is being “racist” just because they use certain language or adopt cultural practices, why are you now applying that same logic to Harris?

Let’s also remember what the word “racism” actually means. Racism involves power structures, discrimination, and systems of oppression based on race—not simply someone adopting cultural elements. Saying Kamala Harris is “racist” for cooking or speaking a certain way seems like a misunderstanding of what racism actually is. It’s not about whether someone speaks slang or listens to a particular type of music—it’s about whether they’re engaging in behavior that actively discriminates against or harms people based on their race.

We should be careful to apply the term “racism” correctly and not just throw it around whenever someone does something we don’t like. Racism is about the systemic oppression and exclusion of people based on race, not someone talking about collard greens.


Let’s stay focused on the main point.

“let’s stay focused on the main point”



here’s that pretentious borderline sociopathic behavior i was talking about

there are numerous points here to be made, life isn’t just black and white … and clearly u are a kamala voter who hates trump. but nothing you said here is facts, just your own radical liberal hypothesis which is rooted in self righteous “i am better than you because i say so” mentality


so you taking something like trump claiming that a lot of the illegal immigrants coming into america are rapists and trying to repackage that as him saying that all mexicans are rapists in order to paint him as a racist is right out the limp wrist liberal playbook

people are not as dumb as y’all think they are … not all of them at least


go ahead and type up another essay .. the writings on the wall on this one.

[Sccit]

Very good point, the term 'racism' gets thrown around way too much these days.  Both candidates have said or done things over the years that could come off to some people as racially insensitive.  But neither, candidate in my eyes, are racist people.  Both have passed legislation and done things that a true 'racist' person wouldn't have done. 

Making a joke or comment that is perceived as being racist, then not understanding why it came across as racist, does not mean that person is a racist.  It simply means they are insensitive to others.  Now of course with how sensitive the nation has become, it's hard to say much of anything these days without someone taking offense to it, so you do sort of get immune to it after a while and then attitude develops to where you don't care if people are offended or not.  Good or bad, that's what is beginning to happen.

yup … it’s limp wrist liberal rhetoric …. they think people are stupid enough to eat up their bs… and most of the time they are lol


what they do is use black people as pawns to earn their blind loyalty by pandering with lies and false talking points .. so if i were to say one side was racist, it would be the left more than the right. although yes, the word racist gets thrown around far too easily in todays society, no doubt.

[TraceOneInfinite]

“let’s stay focused on the main point”



here’s that pretentious borderline sociopathic behavior i was talking about

there are numerous points here to be made, life isn’t just black and white … and clearly u are a kamala voter who hates trump. but nothing you said here is facts, just your own radical liberal hypothesis which is rooted in self righteous “i am better than you because i say so” mentality


so you taking something like trump claiming that a lot of the illegal immigrants coming into america are rapists and trying to repackage that as him saying that all mexicans are rapists in order to paint him as a racist is right out the limp wrist liberal playbook

people are not as dumb as y’all think they are …


go ahead and type up another essay .. the writings on the wall on this one.

This bitch Kamala was a prosecutor, she spent her whole life trying to put black men in prison.  She's married to a white man.  A lot of black people are waking up, even Snoop rockin wit Trump now.  Harry "O" just spoke at Trump's rally!!!   

Trump was cool with everyone all his life, blacks, whites, hispanics, it's only when the agenda machine started moving on him that suddenly he was supposed to be some kind of racist.

Hell Mike Tyson been down with Trump since the 80's and he still rockin wit Trump--he says Trump is a great man and none of that racist stuff is true.  Trump is a fuccin G-- he just wants people to live good and be successful, ya'll promoting the end of humanity with all these transexuals and mentally ill supporting Kamala mandates lockdowns, boosters, masks, chemtrails, climate change, gender change, homosexuals, look at what ya'll are doing... seriously when will ya'll woke muthafuckaz wake the fuck up !!

[TraceOneInfinite]

WE ARE BRINGING BACK THIS AMERICA YOU MUTHERFUCKAZ WANNA WEAR MASKS SPRAY CHEMICALS IN THE AIR AND CHANGE GENDERS CHANGE DEEEEEZ NUTZ BITCH!!

[Safe+Sound]

“let’s stay focused on the main point”



here’s that pretentious borderline sociopathic behavior i was talking about

there are numerous points here to be made, life isn’t just black and white … and clearly u are a kamala voter who hates trump. but nothing you said here is facts, just your own radical liberal hypothesis which is rooted in self righteous “i am better than you because i say so” mentality


so you taking something like trump claiming that a lot of the illegal immigrants coming into america are rapists and trying to repackage that as him saying that all mexicans are rapists in order to paint him as a racist is right out the limp wrist liberal playbook

people are not as dumb as y’all think they are … not all of them at least


go ahead and type up another essay .. the writings on the wall on this one.

It’s interesting that when challenged on a clear contradiction, your response is to avoid addressing the points and instead resort to name-calling and assumptions about my politics. Rather than actually responding to the inconsistency I highlighted, you’ve labeled me with stereotypes and dismissed the points as “radical liberal hypothesis.” It’s hard to have a conversation when instead of addressing the substance of what’s being said, you attack the person.

Let’s get back to the actual issue. My point wasn’t about who I support politically—it was about the fact that you previously argued that speaking slang or adopting cultural elements from another group wasn’t racist, yet now you’re saying that Kamala Harris doing so is somehow racist. That’s not a political position; it’s pointing out a contradiction in what you said.

As for your claim about Trump and illegal immigrants, it’s not about “repackaging” anything. Trump did generalize about Mexicans being rapists in his speech. Here’s what he said: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best… They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.” That statement is not about just a few people—it’s clearly a sweeping generalization, and that’s why it’s been widely criticized as racist.

It’s important to have honest conversations, but dismissing facts as “liberal” or “radical” doesn’t change reality. I’m not interested in writing essays to prove I’m “better than you”—I’m interested in understanding how we can talk through these issues. If you want to respond to the actual points being made instead of attacking my character, I’m all ears. But throwing out labels like “pretentious” and “self-righteous” doesn’t do much for constructive discussion.

At the end of the day, it’s about the substance of the argument, not whose “playbook” you think someone is pulling from. If you have something to say about the contradiction in your views or Ice Cube's inverted position, let’s have that conversation.

[Sccit]

It’s interesting that when challenged on a clear contradiction, your response is to avoid addressing the points and instead resort to name-calling and assumptions about my politics. Rather than actually responding to the inconsistency I highlighted, you’ve labeled me with stereotypes and dismissed the points as “radical liberal hypothesis.” It’s hard to have a conversation when instead of addressing the substance of what’s being said, you attack the person.

Let’s get back to the actual issue. My point wasn’t about who I support politically—it was about the fact that you previously argued that speaking slang or adopting cultural elements from another group wasn’t racist, yet now you’re saying that Kamala Harris doing so is somehow racist. That’s not a political position; it’s pointing out a contradiction in what you said.

As for your claim about Trump and illegal immigrants, it’s not about “repackaging” anything. Trump did generalize about Mexicans being rapists in his speech. Here’s what he said: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best… They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.” That statement is not about just a few people—it’s clearly a sweeping generalization, and that’s why it’s been widely criticized as racist.

It’s important to have honest conversations, but dismissing facts as “liberal” or “radical” doesn’t change reality. I’m not interested in writing essays to prove I’m “better than you”—I’m interested in understanding how we can talk through these issues. If you want to respond to the actual points being made instead of attacking my character, I’m all ears. But throwing out labels like “pretentious” and “self-righteous” doesn’t do much for constructive discussion.

At the end of the day, it’s about the substance of the argument, not whose “playbook” you think someone is pulling from. If you have something to say about the contradiction in your views or Ice Cube's inverted position, let’s have that conversation.

your rhetoric is so filled wit holes that i would have to be an utter fool to address each and every point individually.. you’re insulting my intelligence and some people are above falling for the traps


that’s why i chose to address one ridiculous point ala “the mexicans are rapists!” nonsense u spewed… because once i debunk that it automatically makes everything else u say lack credibility


you’re easier than u think… typing up essays filled with fluff doesnt make u as intelligent as u think it does.


so answer me this.. are u voting kamala? yes or no.

[Sccit]

Let’s get back to the actual issue. My point wasn’t about who I support politically—it was about the fact that you previously argued that speaking slang or adopting cultural elements from another group wasn’t racist, yet now you’re saying that Kamala Harris doing so is somehow racist. That’s not a political position; it’s pointing out a contradiction in what you said.

making a fake blackcent isn’t racist in itself

it’s the fact that she does it in order to fool the black community so that they vote for her because she thinks they’re dumb that would be racist

this isnt rocket science homie

[Safe+Sound]

your rhetoric is so filled wit holes that i would have to be an utter fool to address each and every point individually.. you’re insulting my intelligence and some people are above falling for the traps


that’s why i chose to address one ridiculous point ala “the mexicans are rapists!” nonsense u spewed… because once i debunk that it automatically makes everything else u say lack credibility


you’re easier than u think… typing up essays filled with fluff doesnt make u as intelligent as u think it does.


so answer me this.. are u voting kamala? yes or no.

It’s becoming clear that instead of actually engaging in a discussion, you’d rather dismiss everything as “nonsense” without giving any real thought to the points being made. Your strategy seems to be avoiding the core of the argument by making it about who someone votes for, as if that’s the only thing that matters. My political affiliation doesn’t change the facts at hand.

Since you’ve chosen to focus on Trump’s comments about Mexicans, let’s stick to that for a moment. The point isn’t about some misquote. I gave you his exact words: Trump did generalize, and that’s why so many people were upset. Whether you want to admit it or not, that statement had a sweeping, harmful impact. It’s not just me saying that—it’s something that a lot of people, across the political spectrum, recognized as problematic.

You’ve also contradicted yourself again. You claim that “making a fake blackcent isn’t racist in itself,” but in your earlier message, you called it “more racist than anything else combined.” If you’re going to argue that Harris is doing this to “fool” people, then show the evidence. Otherwise, it’s just another baseless claim without substance.

But let’s be real—this conversation has turned into a series of deflections. You keep trying to dodge the points and shift the topic to Kamala or my supposed “radical” views instead of dealing with the inconsistencies in your own arguments. It’s not about “rocket science” or political party labels; it’s about engaging in a discussion with actual evidence and reason. If you want to have a genuine conversation, I’m still here, but if the goal is just to hurl insults and avoid the issues, then there’s not much to discuss.

As for your “yes or no” question, my vote is irrelevant to the conversation we’re having. I’m focused on facts, not personal attacks or political affiliations.

[Sccit]

It’s becoming clear that instead of actually engaging in a discussion, you’d rather dismiss everything as “nonsense” without giving any real thought to the points being made. Your strategy seems to be avoiding the core of the argument by making it about who someone votes for, as if that’s the only thing that matters. My political affiliation doesn’t change the facts at hand.

Since you’ve chosen to focus on Trump’s comments about Mexicans, let’s stick to that for a moment. The point isn’t about some misquote. I gave you his exact words: Trump did generalize, and that’s why so many people were upset. Whether you want to admit it or not, that statement had a sweeping, harmful impact. It’s not just me saying that—it’s something that a lot of people, across the political spectrum, recognized as problematic.

You’ve also contradicted yourself again. You claim that “making a fake blackcent isn’t racist in itself,” but in your earlier message, you called it “more racist than anything else combined.” If you’re going to argue that Harris is doing this to “fool” people, then show the evidence. Otherwise, it’s just another baseless claim without substance.

But let’s be real—this conversation has turned into a series of deflections. You keep trying to dodge the points and shift the topic to Kamala or my supposed “radical” views instead of dealing with the inconsistencies in your own arguments. It’s not about “rocket science” or political party labels; it’s about engaging in a discussion with actual evidence and reason. If you want to have a genuine conversation, I’m still here, but if the goal is just to hurl insults and avoid the issues, then there’s not much to discuss.

As for your “yes or no” question, my vote is irrelevant to the conversation we’re having. I’m focused on facts, not personal attacks or political affiliations.

so you’re scared to answer a simple yes or no question about whether you’re voting for kamala or not.. got it


you keep tellin on yaself


and then you do dumb shit like try and paint me as wrong over semantics when u know damn well what i mean.. for instance, when i brought up the fake blackcent thing, it was clear as day that i was referring to using a blackcent to manipulate people to vote for you.. yet you disingenuously bring it up as a contradiction of mine by focusing on the semantics


you’re either playing dumb or plain dumb .. not sure which is it yet

but u failing to answer a simple question tells me everything i need to know

carry on..

[Safe+Sound]

so you’re scared to answer a simple yes or no question about whether you’re voting for kamala or not.. got it


you keep tellin on yaself


and then you do dumb shit like try and paint me as wrong over semantics when u know damn well what i mean.. for instance, when i brought up the fake blackcent thing, it was clear as day that i was referring to using a blackcent to manipulate people to vote for you.. yet you disingenuously bring it up as a contradiction of mine by focusing on the semantics


you’re either playing dumb or plain dumb .. not sure which is it yet

but u failing to answer a simple question tells me everything i need to know

carry on..

It’s becoming clear that instead of addressing the core points of the discussion, you’ve chosen to focus on personal attacks and distractions, which is unfortunate. This isn’t about who I’m voting for, and that’s not relevant to the issues we’re discussing here, but I’ll humor you: Whether I vote for Kamala Harris or not doesn’t change the validity of the evidence I’ve presented or the flaws in your arguments.

You’ve repeatedly accused me of focusing on “semantics” when I point out contradictions in your statements. But those contradictions are not minor or irrelevant—they are crucial to understanding where your argument falls apart.

On the “blackcent” issue: You previously defended the use of slang as part of cultural diversity, saying it wasn’t racist when people of different races use similar language. Now, you’re claiming that when Harris does it, it’s a manipulative and racist act. This contradiction suggests that you’re either applying a double standard or you’re not clear on what racism actually entails. Racism isn’t about using slang; it’s about intent and systemic inequality. So, unless you can prove intent to manipulate, your argument seems more like a biased assumption than a valid critique.

Also, you seem to have quite a bit to say on behalf of "the Black community" so I am assuming you are also African American, correct?

You also claimed that focusing on this issue is a distraction from more important matters, yet you’ve brought it up repeatedly as though it’s your central point. If you believe it’s not a critical issue, then let’s focus on the substantive points: systemic racism, the manipulation of voters, and the specific actions and rhetoric of political figures.

Regarding the evidence: You continue to brush off the facts and evidence presented about Trump, Bannon, and Carlson by dismissing them as “hearsay” or “disproven” without providing any actual counter-evidence. I’ve laid out a case based on direct quotes, documented behaviors, and actions by these individuals that are well-documented in mainstream media and public records. Your refusal to engage with that evidence and instead rely on vague denials weakens your argument, especially when you haven’t substantiated your claims.

Finally, your attempt to simplify complex issues into a “yes or no” binary is part of the problem here. These discussions are nuanced, and while it may be easier to deal with oversimplifications, the real world—particularly when discussing race, politics, and systemic issues—is not black and white. Dismissing the conversation because it requires nuance and complexity is a way of avoiding real engagement.

If you’re willing to engage with the actual substance of this discussion—without the personal attacks—I’m happy to continue. But simply avoiding evidence by claiming it’s not valid without providing counter-evidence, and deflecting with unrelated accusations, doesn’t advance the conversation.

So, to be clear, this isn’t about voting for Kamala or Trump. It’s about addressing the real issues we’re discussing here—systemic racism, intent, the manipulation of narratives to suit an agenda, and how that ties into Ice Cube. If you’re ready to tackle those, I’m here for that discussion.

[TraceOneInfinite]

so you’re scared to answer a simple yes or no question about whether you’re voting for kamala or not.. got it


you keep tellin on yaself

He knows once he admits that he’s supporting Kamala and the democrats that then he won’t be able to stand up to the scrutiny.  But are you surprised he’s not standing up and stating his position like a man?  I mean Kamala and the Democrats are being pushed by one giant army and agenda towards transgender and homosexuality so being a man  about his shit don’t come easy

We come from a time when people didn’t wear masks 😷 on their faces out of fear and try to censor and cancel people because they get butthurt over words and they’d rather have a globalists controlled candidate like Kamala spending a whole week just for some pre-prepared interview of rehearsed questions and answers than somebody standing up and speaking like a G about his shit like Trump and letting the chips fall where they may.

Their ideology is the downfall of humanity but they won’t realize til this shit is all AI controlled and you’re told you can’t walk out your house without a mask because according to lefty globalist controllers like Bill Gates “wearing masks 😷 should be as normal as putting on pants in the morning”