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The Catholic Church is getting much better...
Real American:
When are Muslims going to start accepting other religions as equal like the Catholic church???
UnstoppableForce:
--- Quote from: CWalker187 on September 08, 2003, 05:42:37 PM ---When are Muslims going to start accepting other religions as equal like the Catholic church???
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Our religion actually teaches us to accept other religions and not look down upon any other being. You only speak on what you see, which is not the image of all Muslims. Try stepping away from your TV or Trauma's threads, and you'll have a better understanding. Try actually reading books on Islam and its teachings. I guarantee it will change your mind. Terrorists do not represent our religion, they are simply a small fraction of idiots just like there are in any other race.
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: The Governator on September 08, 2003, 05:53:23 PM ---Our religion actually teaches us to accept other religions and not look down upon any other being. You only speak on what you see, which is not the image of all Muslims. Try stepping away from your TV or Trauma's threads, and you'll have a better understanding. Try actually reading books on Islam and its teachings. I guarantee it will change your mind. Terrorists do not represent our religion, they are simply a small fraction of idiots just like there are in any other race.
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Lets take a look at Saudi Arabia:
-All Citizens are REQUIRED to be Muslim...
-Detention of Shi'a religious leaders and societal discrimination against the Shi'a...
-Non Muslim harassment/torture/deportation by the Mutawwa'in...
-Creating, owning, importing, or distribution of any non-Muslim religious material is not allowed...
-Don't even get me started on their views of the Jewish...
-If you convert to another religion from Islam, you can be put to death...
Take a look at Afghanistan durring the Taliban? That govenment supposedly strictly followed Islamic law. Were they tollerent of other religions?
Church bombings in Pakistan?
What about the Christians that get slaughtered in the phillipines and indonesia?
I realize that Islam CAN be a religion of peace but when Osama Bin Laden has wide support throughout the mid-east and is considered by many in that region to be a Folk hero, it's hard for people to see that.
-Hussam Khader, a member of Arafat's Fatah party said that "Bin Laden today is the most popular figure in the West Bank and Gaza, second only to Arafat."
-Over 76% of Palestinians in a poll oppose any Arab or Palestinian participation in the coalition against terrorism led by the United States.
-26% of Palestinians in a poll believe that the attacks against civilians in the United States are consistent with Islamic Law.
-43% of Palestinians in a poll feel that such attacks (9/11) are beneficial to Arab interests.
-In northern Nigeria, bin Laden has (according to Reuters) "achieved iconic status"
-Nearly no public denouncement of Bin Laden by Islamic scholars.
It seems to me like Bin Laden isn't the McVeigh type figure many make him out to be but rather has a large support group throughout the middle east. This isn't just some crazy anti-islam view, but is backed up by facts, polls, and statements.
Speaking of books and readings, try checking out "The Dhimmi: Jews & Christians Under Islam" from your local library. It's based of PRIMARY sources from non-Muslims living under shari'a.
UnstoppableForce:
I'm not disagreeing with what you say, but to you does that mean that
a) Islam teaches Muslims to hate
b) Political leaders use religion as a tool to gain support for things such as these and even use it to brainwash their followers into thinking that blowing themselves up is right. In addition, the media there just as the media here, is biased and makes people think worse of the U.S. than it actually is, and maybe there are some people who are just as dumb as the millions of dumb ones in this country. Actually let me rephrase: Most of those people don't have the resources to other news material and are fed that information, unlike the ignorant ones in this country who go with what they're fed when they damn well could access the internet and thousands of sources. You have to understand that religion is probably the most powerful tool for a political leader in a country where there is no real seperation between church and state. Plus, I said that our religion doesn't teach us the things you think it does. You come back with statistics showing there is an X percentage of Muslims who think it's ok to kill Americans, which leads me to another thing. When American soldiers overseas are killed, don't SOME Americans believe that those "damn muslims should die". Well, let me tell you that that's exactly the sentiments of some of the civilians of Muslim nations and Palestine. Iranians died in their war against Iraq in which the U.S. provided Iraq with weaponry. Now you wonder why might SOME of those Iranians want Americans to die? It's for reasons such as the one I've stated. The same applies to Palestinians and their struggle against Israel. The U.S. supports the Israeli army with $1 billion a year. People bitching about the economy and what not; how about using that billion for something more useful here at home (health care, education, etc). Open your eyes right-wingers.
Woodrow:
What I mean is:
Islam CAN be a peaceful religion. There are many who practice it peacefully. Thing is, there is also a LARGE amount of people who don't. It just seems to me from the research and readings I've done that there are a substantially large number of people who agree with the Hate and violence that Bin laden practices. Many more that the extremists in of other religions. Take from that what you want.
Polls don't lie, When somebody says "Bin Laden today is the most popular figure in the West Bank and Gaza, second only to Arafat," It just blows my mind. If Islam a religion of peace, why are a large number Muslims supporting a man who wants nothing but violence and intolerance propagated throughout the world?
I understand perfectly that religion is a leader's strongest tool in a country that is impoverished. I guess it's a catch 22, but you think that if people lived in poverty and oppression while their leaders were rich beyond words, that people would start to ask questions. The Middle East could be one of the richest regions in the world with their natural resources; instead poverty is very common, while the leaders live in luxury.
Next point: I'm sure that some people feel that "damn Muslims should die" but I'd be willing to bet that is a very small percentage of Americans. You don't see celebrations in the streets of New York when a missile goes off course and blows up a house, you don't see celebrations when one of our soldiers shoots up a family who didn't stop at a check point. I'm sorry I can't say the same about many countries in the Middle East. Pro Bin Laden gatherings in Mecca? Why would people support somebody who's killed so many? Celebrations when a bus full of people is blown up? If Islam a religion of peace, why does this happen?
I don't even know how much we give Israel, but let's take a look at some other numbers
-20 billion going towards rebuilding Iraq.
-800 million going towards civilian programs in Afghanistan
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/09/politics/09COST.html?ex=1063684800&en=32a24b5ef326bdef&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
The "price tag makes the package the most expensive postwar military and civilian effort since the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe after World War II, after adjusting for inflation."
Can the Middle East still complain about America not giving it the support it gives Israel?
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