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UnstoppableForce:
Ok, first off, Islamic beliefs parallel those of Christianity and Judaism. Muslims believe in the same God, and accept the Bible as well as the Torah as heavenly books which do teach the will of God. We believe in the same prophets, we believe in Jesus, except for the fact that we acknowledge Muhammed as a messenger of God as well. Just in the same way that Christians accept the "additional" prophet, Jesus, which Jews don't.
Now why would any religion teach hate, violence, and killing. Does it really make sense for a religion to teach that, especially when these comments are made by Christians and Jews who believe in the same God we do. Allah is not a different God, it's just the word God in Arabic. Hispanics say Dios, but that doesn't mean they believe in a different God named Dios. It's the same God. Some of you have stated that Islam teaches hate, and have provided lines out of the Qu'ran to show that. The only thing is, those lines were taken out of context. Islam doesn't teach to attack someone, but it teaches that when under attack one should defend themselves and fight back. And if you compare the Qu'ran to the Bible you will find similar things. In the words of Jesus:
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." [Matthew 10:34].
"Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered. [Matthew 21:18,19].
In addition, Western authors wrongly translate the word "jihad" to mean holy war, when in fact the Arabic word jihad means struggle or resistance. Muhammed defined the struggle with the self to be a better person as jihad.
Quotes from the Qu'ran:
"The Qur'an advises against using force to change people's religion" [Qur'an 2:256]
The Qur'an advises against being the aggressor [Qur'an 2:190].
Muslims are asked to refrain from vengeance against prisoners of war or civilians in defeated regions [Qur'an 16:126,127; 8:67].
Here is a statistic:
A search for the word "kill" found it 442 times in the Revised Standard Version, and 271 times in the King James Version of the Bible compared to 40 times in the Pickthall Version and 22 times in the Yusuf-Ali Version of the Qur'an.
The facts show that Islam tolerates non - Muslim minorities within the Muslim Nation and treats them as independent nations free to worship and live according to their own religious laws. This was outlined in the Covenant of Medina which became the world's first written constitution in 622 AD.
In contrast, the Christian Romans used force to convert all the countries under their dominion to Christianity. When Roman Catholicism became the state religion, the Romans persecuted the Orthodox Christians who did not convert. The number of Orthodox Christians killed by Rome reached 200,000 which is huge considering the small population of Egypt at the time
While millions of Christians and Jews continue to thrive in the Muslim countries after 14 centuries of Muslim domination, there is no trace of the millions of Muslims who lived for centuries in Spain and Portugal
The "real" holy wars were waged by the Crusaders against the Muslims in the Middle East. The Crusaders were brutal in their treatment of Muslim prisoners of war and civilians. When the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem, they killed 70,000 Muslims. When the Muslims re-conquered the city they did not kill anybody.
NOW TO SOME MORE MODERN FACTS:
*50 million Native Americans were killed through war, starvation and disease
*Hitler's was responsible for the deaths of 7 million slave laborers, 6 million Jews, and 17 million Germans.
*Stalin was responsible for the deaths of over 14 million peasants... just peasants. This doesn't include the millions of others that died at his hands. Total it is estimated to be 20 million.
That's just 3 incidents. I'm not even including the U.S. killings of innocent Iraqies and Vietnamese.
Woodrow:
Is this some sort of chain Email you just posted here? Seems strange to me that in one part it talks about accepting other religions, but then goes on to try and tear them down. Once again, please check out "The Dhimmi: Jews & Christians Under Islam" from your local library. It's based of PRIMARY sources from non-Muslims living under shari'a. Pretty horid stuff.
"As "dhimmi" (people of the contract) Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians and others of the accepted religions had no rights of citizenship within a Muslim state. As "protected peoples" they had no right to self-defense. They were at best tolerated and at all times living without security - subject to the law but not protected by it.
For example, Jews and Christians are specifically accused in the Qur'an of having falsified God's word. In past Islamic societies therefore, Jews and Christians were considered to be willfully and knowingly adhering to a lie. As religiously convicted liars, they were given no standing in courts of law and could be convicted of crimes on the unsupported word of two Muslim males. The abuses of this system were extensive."
UnstoppableForce:
If you knew anything about the Spanish Inquisition (period of time during which Christians KILLED Jews&Muslims in Spain), you would know that the Muslims HELPED the Jews get out of Spain and into the Middle East.
In addition, you just stated that they were tolerant to other religions. Were the Christians? No. They killed off any Jew or Muslim in sight, and this at a later time period than the Muslims. Muslims who controlled an area of land didn't have to protect anybody by law. They didn't kick people out of the land like the Christians did; they didn't kill all the Jews in Jerusalem like the Christians did; and in fact, the Jews living in the Middle East never wanted their own nation. They were HAPPY and PEACEFUL living in the area now called Palestine/Israel. This again because the Muslims were religiously tolerant. All you have provided me is: in ancient times Muslims didn't protect non-Muslims in the areas under Muslim control. So what? What rights did blacks have in 18th & 19th century America? They were forced to convert to Christianity and received the most horrible treatment. Let me give you a book to read: "Uncle Tom's Cabin"
Trauma-san:
Anyway you look at it, in the world today, Christians aren't killing anybody, and Muslims sure as hell are. Unless you consider the U.S. wars crusades, then I guess you can say christians are killing people.
UnstoppableForce:
--- Quote from: Scorpion on September 23, 2003, 05:01:13 PM ---Anyway you look at it, in the world today, Christians aren't killing anybody, and Muslims sure as hell are. Unless you consider the U.S. wars crusades, then I guess you can say christians are killing people.
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Christians are killing people in Afghanistan and Iraq... crusades or not.... they're killing them....
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