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UnstoppableForce:
Bush has given my parents a couple hundred bucks, and thanks to him we have the Patriot Act.
Trauma, what is your honest opinion on the Patriot Act, all bullshit and jokes laid aside.

Trauma-san:
I think a bunch of nothing is made out of it. I think democrats know they are going to lose the election, horribly, and are grasping at any straw to attack Bush with, instead of presenting good ideas of their own.

The patriot act isn't what people claim it is. First off, I would prefer it doesn't even exist, because I feel a smaller government with less regulations is a better government. Of course, your democrats don't believe that, and unfortunatly in this instance Bush is going for a more powerful government, which I disagre with.

However; in actuality, the Patriot Act doesn't really grant much power at all to the government. For instance, everyone has made a big deal about the library card thing, the government can spy now on what you check out at the library.

Reality Check: The government already could. Library records have been introduced as evidence in the past, this was just putting it in writing. The FBI has also stated since then that not one person has had their library information requested, lol so it's kind of a non-issue.

Library records, telephone transcripts, all that could be supoened into evidence long before the patriot act. There is no change there.

The government, before, could get a roaming tap on your phone. So tha'ts nothing new, either, and it still requires under the patriot act an o.k. from a judge, so again, there's nothing new there.

All in all, the patriot act is pretty much useless, it doesn't really give the government any powers it didn't have already, and was mainly written up to show that the government was doing SOMETHING about terrorism.

Woodrow:
Never thought I'd quote Barbra bush, but here goes:

"So far, they are a pretty sorry group if you want to know my opinion"

http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=3648287

UnstoppableForce:

--- Quote from: Buddy Holly on October 20, 2003, 09:39:28 PM ---The government, before, could get a roaming tap on your phone. So tha'ts nothing new, either, and it still requires under the patriot act an o.k. from a judge, so again, there's nothing new there.

--- End quote ---

You see that's where you're misinformed. The Patriot Act states that the judge "SHALL" grant them the o.k., which to them means that even if the judge denies them the right, they can still go on with what they were planning on doing. Also, almost all the senators (Democrats and Republicans) want it removed because they have realized that it is highly unconstitutional. It is exactly what the founding fathers were trying to prevent. I agree with your statement about it giving the government more power. Plus, this one I don't blame on Bush. It's the people around him that came up with it, Ashcroft being the front-guy so to say. He presented it to congress in such a way as saying "sign it cuz you don't wanna blamed in case something happens", and most of them just did that without reading the entire thing (I dunno how many pages it is exactly but its supposed to be a lot). Only Kucinich and Feingold refused to sign it, and now many others are coming forward stating that if they knew what it's actual intentions were they wouldn't have signed it. Most Republicans don't like it either,because it's unconstitutional.

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