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Trauma-san:

--- Quote from: M Dogg on November 09, 2003, 10:57:38 PM ---Come on, most people agree the Patriot Act is just too much. I mean come on now. And Democrats never wanted to nationalize airport jobs, and Democrats have always been against school vouchers, and why push for scholorships when Democrats were the ones that started the Trio Programs, and College Grants, and Work Awards. Democrats are always about college, but have always oppose school vouchers. After all, why ship kids to priviet school when the government should fix the public school. And Priviet schools don't always teach everything that is believed to be needed by government standards.

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They already DID nationalize airport security jobs!  Look into how much the government pays community college, and universities to run.  Over half of the operating expenses of most colleges are paid by the U.S. government.  What happens when all these social programs that the dems are pushing for get shut down? They're trying to control our lives with this shit.  

Trauma-san:

--- Quote from: SandNigga on November 09, 2003, 11:25:19 PM ---The Patriot Act is the most unconstitutional thing since the Sedition Act. Trauma knows this and realizes that conservatives are just trying to control our lives, so if you ask him about the Ptriot Act he won't respond or he'll say that he doesn't know much about it. Maybe he doesn't even know that conservatives are trying to close up the gap between church and state, which is also unconstitutional. People with closed minds need to keep their mouths closed as well because quite frankly they don't seem to know shit.

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Name 1 thing that the Patriot act grants the government that they didn't have before.  1 thing.  You want to talk the shit, now lets see what you know about it.  1 fucking thing that the Patriot act grants the government power over, that they didn't have power over before.  

UnstoppableForce:
Alright you close-minded idiot.

The Constiution states that the government needed AT LEAST a warrant and probable cause to access private records. Under FISA (I'm guessing you know what this is since you talk out of your ass so fuckin much) that was somewhat changed. The Patriot Act however just changed shit completely. Now the FBI can just tell a FISA judge that the search is to protect against terrorism. The judge CAN'T reject this application. In addition, the investigators may now do it secretly, and the orders can't be contested in court. Yes, the FBI did have the power to do this shit against a group "engaged in international terrorism or activities in preparation therefor." That's not the case anymore.

You say the Patriot Act doesn't give the government any powers it didn't have before? LMAO... So 300 pages of nothing were written right? And what would be the point of creating a document that woudln't change anything, and why are so many policticians against it (liberals as well as conservatives). Several cities have even boycotted the Patriot Act. If it doesn't give the government any new powers then why would they be so staunchly against it? Let me guess, our Congress is filled with communists, right Trauma? LMAO @ you being such an idiot.

UnstoppableForce:
In case your dumbass doesn't already know, USA PATRIOT ACT stands for

Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism

How do you strengthen something without changing it?

UnstoppableForce:
Here you go idiot

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/usapatriot020701.html

See, even hicks and crackers like you living in NC have revolted against this

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