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Modern-day Jews DO descend from biblical time Israelites.
Lincoln:
--- Quote from: SeerZilla on November 20, 2003, 01:40:50 PM ---yes, and my other point is.. muslims arent a race... you can "opt in" to being a muslim
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Understood.
Trauma-san:
--- Quote from: SandNigga on November 18, 2003, 10:25:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Trauma on November 18, 2003, 09:43:26 PM ---I've went through this before, but here goes again.
In the bible, Abraham was a great man, that's about all you need to know about him, it sums it up perfectly. He couldn't have children until very late in life, when he finally had 1 son, after praying for years that he could have children to pass along his lineage.
As the boy grew older, Abraham was commanded by an angel to kill his 1 son as a sacrifice to god. Abraham was such a devout man, he was at the brink of killing his son (had him sprawn out on the rock that rests under the Temple Mount in Jerusalem), when an angel appeared and told Abraham he didn't have to kill his son, Abraham instead sacrificed a symbolic lamb tangled in the thorns nearby.
Anyways, as a reward for Abraham's obedience (he was willing to sacrifice the only thing he had ever wanted more than anything in the world simply because God had told him to), Abraham was given the Abrahamic Covenant with God. God told him that everyone who entered heaven would be one of his seed.
In short: Jews will simply claim (if they're versed in the old testament) that anyone saved by God today is a descendant of Abraham. They believe this because the bible says it right there in black and white, so to them, there's no way a muslim can be a descendant of Abraham.
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Yes, you're right, there's no way a muslim is going to heaven because some terrorists do the shit they do. But of course Hitler will be in heaven right next to Stalin and Bush. ::)
By the way, I hope you know that muslims descend from the line of Ishmael, Abraham's other son.
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Honestly, you're a mental midget. I was giving an argument a Jew could use, I'm not Jewish. I realize it's impossible for you to think as if you were someone else, or see something from someone else's position, but that's what I was attempting to put across. If you read the bible, to a Jew, that is how they would interpret it. Please don't respond when big boys are talking, you simply are in over your head on this one.
UnstoppableForce:
You fuckin idiot. If you're gonna take someone else's position, at least get your fuckin facts straight before you add your opinion. You said that Jews could argue that no muslim could possibly go to heaven, and that only descendants of Abraham could. When in fact muslims are descendants of Abraham. There goes your whole fuckin argument. Now eat a dick because being the ignorant bitch that you are (seeing that you didn't/couldn't respond in that thread about the Patriot Act and stopped replying after I showed that your argument about spending in Kosovo and Iraq were bullshit lies) you are actually the one that needs to realize that shit is way over your empty head.
At least you gave us all a good laugh with your theory on "WMDs do exist. We just can't find them. Just because we can't prove it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Why don't you prove to me they dont exist"....LMFAO. Classic.
Now go and do some research so you can reply to the shit you couldn't to earlier. When you're in a hole of shit, try to get out little by little, instead of digging yourself deeper in. In other words, start posting shit that's actually true and use some common sense. LMAO@ They exist we just can't prove it.
I TO DA GEEZY:
I'll clear it up, the muslim religion was based in the middle east, at first this was a paganic religion it's monoteistic direction was brought by Muhamed, but even up untill that point it existed just in a differend form, now the people who were the original Muslims were those same Ishmaelite tribes in the Arabic Paninsula.
Islam is not a rase it's a religion, and it's the easiest one to convert into, u have to say one sentence to become Muslim, I was talkin' bout the Original Muslims and about the background Islam is based upon.
UnstoppableForce:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 20, 2003, 10:52:32 PM ---I'll clear it up, the muslim religion was based in the middle east, at first this was a paganic religion it's monoteistic direction was brought by Muhamed, but even up untill that point it existed just in a differend form, now the people who were the original Muslims were those same Ishmaelite tribes in the Arabic Paninsula.
Islam is not a rase it's a religion, and it's the easiest one to convert into, u have to say one sentence to become Muslim, I was talkin' bout the Original Muslims and about the background Islam is based upon.
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One thing wasn't very clear to me; are you saying that a form of Islam existed before Mohammed? If you are, that is completely false. There was no Islam before Mohammed, Islam began with Mohammed. That's why the belief in Mohammed is one of the main principles of the religion.
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