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Modern-day Jews DO descend from biblical time Israelites.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: Lincoln on November 21, 2003, 12:55:31 PM ---About the Mohammed/Pagan topic:
Paganism was the dominant religion, then Mohammed destroyed it. He didn't "re-direct" paganism to become monotheistic, he converted all the Pagans (or Killed them ;D). They are 2 different religions, Islam did not derive from Paganism at all.
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destroy
I never said Muhamed was pro-paganic he wasn't, to re-direct a paganic religion into a monotheistic one is the same as to destroy the paganic one and replace it with a monotheistic one, so the arguement is not about a technical describtion, but what proves Islam did not totally alienate from it's origin, is that black stone(I think it's called Kabah or something) it's still considered holly, and another thing, acording to some historions Allah was actually one of the many gods that the earlly form of Islam worshiped, his massage to Muhamad was what rendered him as the only god, or may be as the god of all gods(as some chose to acsept it at first).
Lincoln:
--- Quote from: SandNigga on November 22, 2003, 12:26:14 AM ---Trauma you clearly have no fuckin clue about anything. Muhammed didn't turn paganic religions into Islam, he spoke out against paganism, and informed people about there being One Almighty God. In addition, muslims don't belive that Islam is the original religion. We accept and believe what happened before, we acknowledge the Torah and the Bible to be holy books, we believe in all the prophets that came before Muhammed, including Jesus; the only thing is that we consider the other religions to be incomplete because they don't include the life of Muhammed, who to us was God's last messenger.
Please stay out of topics you don't know shit about. I already schooled you on the patriot act discussion, and the spending bill one, when will you learn you fool.
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Thank you.
Lincoln:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 22, 2003, 03:36:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: Lincoln on November 21, 2003, 12:55:31 PM ---About the Mohammed/Pagan topic:
Paganism was the dominant religion, then Mohammed destroyed it. He didn't "re-direct" paganism to become monotheistic, he converted all the Pagans (or Killed them ;D). They are 2 different religions, Islam did not derive from Paganism at all.
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destroy
I never said Muhamed was pro-paganic he wasn't, to re-direct a paganic religion into a monotheistic one is the same as to destroy the paganic one and replace it with a monotheistic one, so the arguement is not about a technical describtion, but what proves Islam did not totally alienate from it's origin, is that black stone(I think it's called Kabah or something) it's still considered holly, and another thing, acording to some historions Allah was actually one of the many gods that the earlly form of Islam worshiped, his massage to Muhamad was what rendered him as the only god, or may be as the god of all gods(as some chose to acsept it at first).
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The Kabaa stone is part of the Hajj to Mecca. It is used so one can get a feeling of Mohammed's life (I think). And yes, Allah was one of the Gods worshipped but remember, Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Muslims, Christians & Jews all worship the same God.
UnstoppableForce:
Christianity and Judaism had pagans convert, does that mean Judaism and Christianity have paganic origins? NO
Muhammed said to the pagans that it was wrong for them to worship all these gods, and told them about the one, almighty god. To Jews and Christians he simply said that he was the last of God's messengers. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism have nothing to do with paganism just because pagans converted into the religions. The 3 religions are tied together by the prophets and the one god. Jews accept all prophets before Jesus, Christians accept the same prophets including Jesus, and Muslims accept the same prophets Jews do in addition to Jesus+Muhammed. We believe the Torah and Bible to be holy books, but we consider them to be incomplete because of the exclusion of Muhammed's being. Also, the Bible has been re-written so many times that it's lost some truth. The Quran hasn't and can't be revised (I'm not sure, but I think this is true for the Torah as well)
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: Lincoln on November 22, 2003, 08:31:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 22, 2003, 03:36:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: Lincoln on November 21, 2003, 12:55:31 PM ---About the Mohammed/Pagan topic:
Paganism was the dominant religion, then Mohammed destroyed it. He didn't "re-direct" paganism to become monotheistic, he converted all the Pagans (or Killed them ;D). They are 2 different religions, Islam did not derive from Paganism at all.
--- End quote ---
destroy
I never said Muhamed was pro-paganic he wasn't, to re-direct a paganic religion into a monotheistic one is the same as to destroy the paganic one and replace it with a monotheistic one, so the arguement is not about a technical describtion, but what proves Islam did not totally alienate from it's origin, is that black stone(I think it's called Kabah or something) it's still considered holly, and another thing, acording to some historions Allah was actually one of the many gods that the earlly form of Islam worshiped, his massage to Muhamad was what rendered him as the only god, or may be as the god of all gods(as some chose to acsept it at first).
--- End quote ---
The Kabaa stone is part of the Hajj to Mecca. It is used so one can get a feeling of Mohammed's life (I think). And yes, Allah was one of the Gods worshipped but remember, Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Muslims, Christians & Jews all worship the same God.
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yea,you're almost accurate, Lah' is the Arabic word for GOD, AL LAH is it's articled form, something like "The God" , some claim that the articled form apeared only after he was proclaimed as the only god. Another thing though, the fact Kabaa is part of the hajj only proves they still feel atouched in some way to their origin
(Kabaa was considered to be very holly by the Paganic-soon to be -Muslims).
Well Judaism had all kinds of people convert into it yet it was originated Monotheisticly, Christianity was forced uppon some Pagans...
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