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Eminem/Shady Records sues The Source/Benzino
D.R.E.-Dogg:
--- Quote from: Lincoln on December 22, 2003, 07:52:20 PM ---More often than not, Black to White racism is a direct response to White to Black racism. I'm not saying I agree with that, but that's likely the reason.
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--- Quote from: SGV Not SVG or SUV on December 22, 2003, 08:07:16 PM ---I'll put it this way. You got to have respect for your peers. Em is in a business that's dominated by blacks. The point is, NOW Em has respect, at the time he made the song he didn't. If Cube and them were in a business dominated by whites, then their lyrics would be targeted like Ems are.
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both of ur statements are just explanations, not justification, u have to admit it's wrong, no matter whether it's his own fault, which it is, or not
no matter who's dominating or who's just being racist cuz he experienced racism against his own race, it's still wrong to make such a big deal out of a racist track by a white person when worse tracks been released by plenty of blacks and nobody has said shit
as for Lincoln's point, Em experienced alot 'black to white racism' too when he wasn't big, which may be another reason for the lyrics on the tape, but that doesn't justify shit and neither does it the other way
I ain't trippin about those disses to whites and I'm still listening to it but if u are trippin then do it both ways, no double standarts..
SGV:
^^I don't care either way as long as they ain't speaking on Latinos. That's why I lost respect for Scarface. But, nobody can justify what Em said, nobody can justify why Em shouldn't have said it. I just think Em should've had more respect than that for the Black community, since he was making BLACK music. The people who dish out the disses towards Whites, usually they're politically driven, dead prez, Cube, PE, etc. Does that make it justifiable? Nope. But, Blacks have faced FAR MORE racism from whites than whites have from Blacks. That's a fact. There is much more frustration in the Black and Latino communities over racism than there is in the white communities.
D.R.E.-Dogg:
--- Quote from: SGV Not SVG or SUV on December 23, 2003, 11:35:03 AM ---^^I don't care either way as long as they ain't speaking on Latinos. That's why I lost respect for Scarface. But, nobody can justify what Em said, nobody can justify why Em shouldn't have said it. I just think Em should've had more respect than that for the Black community, since he was making BLACK music. The people who dish out the disses towards Whites, usually they're politically driven, dead prez, Cube, PE, etc. Does that make it justifiable? Nope. But, Blacks have faced FAR MORE racism from whites than whites have from Blacks. That's a fact. There is much more frustration in the Black and Latino communities over racism than there is in the white communities.
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2 points I disagree with, the 1rst is that I don't see why it's worse to diss blacks than to diss whites just cuz u a rapper and blacks started/dominate hiphop.. to me it's all the same plus he was dissing black females so if u think that's an argument u might aswell say it wasn't the females who started hiphop and who dominate it so fuck it
the 2nd is I think it's wrong to care about disses to ur own race when u don't care about others
If someone was dissing Asians cuz he has bad experiences with certain Asians I would think that's dumb/wrong (just like I do in Em's, Cube's, .. case) but still listen to it cuz I'd see what made him do it and even though it's wrong I'd understand
imo u should either care about all or none cuz there's not a single generally acceptable reason to make a difference about latinos or whoever
as for blacks having a reason to be more frustrated about racism, of course that's a fact, but who knows whether Em or Cube was more often discriminated against.. nobody does, and the discrimination of the past isn't Em's fault and doesn't give Cube more right to diss whites than Em has to diss blacks
SGV:
None of the comments are better or worse, but Em's just comes off as harsher considering the music business he's in. I don't feel bad for him because he made the song. His friends were black and he made the song. That's the point I'm trying to make. I don't care either way what Em or Cube or any of them say about Blacks and Whites, I'm neither. It doesn't affect me. But, when people like Scarface, who had many Latino fans, starts refering to us as Wetbacks, I take offense. It's ignorant.
Citizen-Y:
--- Quote from: SGV on December 23, 2003, 01:42:37 PM ---None of the comments are better or worse, but Em's just comes off as harsher considering the music business he's in. I don't feel bad for him because he made the song. His friends were black and he made the song. That's the point I'm trying to make. I don't care either way what Em or Cube or any of them say about Blacks and Whites, I'm neither. It doesn't affect me. But, when people like Scarface, who had many Latino fans, starts refering to us as Wetbacks, I take offense. It's ignorant.
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I like Ice Cube and we all know he has a shit load of white fans but he keeps saying cracker, white devil, europeon.
I take offense to that.
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