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do you consider rappers musicians?

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NobodyButMe:
i don't.

i consider rappers as poets. all they do, in my opinion, is write something and speak it over music, which isn't necessarily music either, (it's more of a composition). to me, it's really no different than someone reading shakespeare or edgar allan poe over a music track. a musician creates music, (music = different musical notes) with an instrument or with their singing voice.

i'm not saying that i don't like rap or hip hop. i just don't think it's music. honestly, i think anyone can read lyrics over a track and it'll sound very similar to almost anyone. for those that don't sound similar, they just have special attributes which make it sound different because of their speaking or reading style. like pac can read/speak with animation. guru reads/speaks with monotony. nas reads/speaks like he believes. but not everyone can play a guitar over a track. therefore i think rappers are writers. not musicians. maybe poets. but not musicians. what ya'll think?

Trauma-san:
Yeah, i'd say they were poets too, good observation.  And there aren't many that are much better than amateur poets, you know?  I guess they do have talent, lol, like I can't sit here and say 50 cent isn't talented, but he's no poet, and he sure ain't no musician.

mauzip:
Producers are musicians, rappers are poets.

infinite59:
Not only are rappers musicians; but hip-hop is superior to all other forms of music.  Making rap artists the greatest musicians of our era, or any era for that matter.  There is melody, rythym, tone, and pitch in their voices when they rap.  They say one note high and one note low.  

This is something I've always said, Dre is a better producer, composer than Mozart, Beathoven, or any of those dead guys.  Eminem is a better artist and paints a more vivid picture than Vango with a paintbrush.  Eminem and 2pac have more musical talent than anyone to ever touch a microphone or hold a stage in any time period.

NobodyButMe:

--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on January 14, 2004, 07:42:02 AM ---Dre is a better producer, composer than Mozart, Beathoven, or any of those dead guys.
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give me reasons why dre is a better composer than mozart or beethoven to make the rest of this argument have any validity. dre sits behind a board all day for months before he drops one song, which is produced with electonic (ie: not real) sounds. beethoven makes a composition with real instruments and produces real music. dre's music is electronic, programmed to do loops and programmed into a drum machine. beethoven actually has to pay attention to time signatures and rhythm and beat and melody. dre has a drum machine do it for him...i just don't see how you can say something like that.....please explain


--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on January 14, 2004, 07:42:02 AM ---Eminem is a better artist and paints a more vivid picture than Vango with a paintbrush.
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you're talking about two different things. van gogh is painter. eminem is a rapper. that's like comparing muhammad ali to michael jordan over who plays a better game of horse.  


--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on January 14, 2004, 07:42:02 AM ---Eminem and 2pac have more musical talent than anyone to ever touch a microphone or hold a stage in any time period.

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do you think that that has anything to do with the availability of mass communication? example: jesus christ only reached a few hundred people in the stories they tell of in the bible, yet he's obviously had more of an effect on the world than anyone in the history of the world combined. if beethoven or mozart or bach were in our time period, their music would have reached more people.

i'm not trying to talk shit, i just wanna hear your opinions and arguments of why you believe those things you said. i think that this makes for an interesting topic....  

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