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do you consider rappers musicians?
7even:
I dont consider Rap low end music, hella no focker, but sayin that Dre can touch Beethoven in a way is just ridicolous.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: mauzip on January 14, 2004, 07:40:46 AM ---Producers are musicians, rappers are poets.
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truth by the man everyone wants to ignore 'cause his pretty in pink.
Anyways, I'll even take it a step further, if rappers aren't musicians, then are they artist. Some rappers I would say are artist are ones like 2Pac, Nas, Outkast, well 50 Cent, Biggie and LL Cool J are just rapper. A rapper can be lyrically gifted and all, but tend to just be there to rap or entertain. Biggie of course being the greatest at that. Artist in hip-hop are rappers that take their lyrics to another level. Someone like 2Pac was not the most lyrically gifted in rap, but made every lyric so you can feel his emotion, and through his lyrics... made art. But that's a whole 'nother arguement.
NobodyButMe:
--- Quote from: Don Jacob Corleone on January 15, 2004, 01:03:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on January 14, 2004, 07:42:02 AM ---Not only are rappers musicians; but hip-hop is superior to all other forms of music. Making rap artists the greatest musicians of our era, or any era for that matter. There is melody, rythym, tone, and pitch in their voices when they rap. They say one note high and one note low.
This is something I've always said, Dre is a better producer, composer than Mozart, Beathoven, or any of those dead guys. Eminem is a better artist and paints a more vivid picture than Vango with a paintbrush. Eminem and 2pac have more musical talent than anyone to ever touch a microphone or hold a stage in any time period.
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okay this is where i go off:
you think that rappers are superior cuz they say one not high and one note low?!!!!!! are you fucking retarted?
dre is the man......but he's only the man in the world of hip hop!! bach beethoveen mozart shcubert , et are masters of all music! most of which composed songs and melodies that were 23 -40 minutes long.......dre composes beats that are 3-6 SECONDS at best long , and loops them for 4 minutes! who's the better composer here!? most of these composers wrote different riffs for a many as a 100 different instruments to play at one time.....that's variations of a song for damn near 40 minutes of music , up to or more than 100 instruments playing efficiently at beatifully at once!!! dre on the other hand samples 3 beats asks collin wolfe or mike elizando to create some bass then scraps together a 3 second drum loop...........impressive for a hip hop artist but not nearly as impressive as a 100 piece orchestra play many differet things at once and making classic shit that last over 100 years.....and as far as longevity goes and is concerned, more people are likely to recongnize a bach riff from a few hundred years ago than a dre riff from last year on an obie trice cd! hell i even put dre's most well known song "nuthin but a g thang up against" fur elise.......and more people in the world will recognize and LIKE fur elise. also when you study the notation and structure of a peice (A PEICE!) of music from a bethoveen song it's more complex and artistic than any dre song here's an example
nothin' but a g thang (entire song)
|-7-5-------|----7-5-7-9-7-5---------
|-----7-5-7-|-----------------7-6-5-6
|------------|------------------------
|------------|------------------------
|------------|-----------------------
|------------|-----------------------
|------------|------------------------
THA"TS IT!!!!! that is the whole song,this is what took dre probably 2 months to make!
infinite pick up a guitar, this song is soooooo fucking simple even a beginer could play this shit
now for some classical shit:
7----(7-------------------(7-----10-|-10-----10---------------------0-0--12-|
-7----)7--7-----------7----)7-----8--|-10---------------7-8-7^8^7----0-0--0--|
-7--7-(7-----7-----7-------(7--------|-11--------11-----7-7-7-----9--9-11-9--|
-9--9-----9----------------)9--------|-12--12--------------------------------|
-9-----------------------------------|-12------------12----------------------|
-7--------------7--------7-----7-----|-10------------------------------------|
sl. sl. H P
-----------------7--7--/12-|--12-----12----------8--7--10-7^10^7--|
-----------8--8------------|--12---------12--12--0--5--0-------7--|
-----------9--9--7--7--/9--|--12---------9---9---0-----0----------|
---------------------------|--14--14-----9------------------------|
----/9--7------------------|--14---------10-----------------------|
--0------------------------|--0---0-------------------------------|
(end Rhy. Fig. 1)
okay: this shit is like 5 seconds of a 20 minute song by bethoveen
metallica covered a portio of it on their song "to live is to die" so if you must heear it...
but yeah.....not bad for a fucking deaf dude huh? not bad for someone who couldn't hear what he was doing
also another thing , mozart was writing (great) symphanies when he was just a kid at 8 years old........something dre couldn't do at 40 !
classical music is known as high class art
rap music is known as low end art
that right there automatically void's your little opinion.
as far as eminem painting a better more vivid picture than van gogh...no shit!
real art isn't something you look at and say wow he really drew that guys face pretty realistically!! that is simple and and low end art... high end and real art is what van gogh made. he made art that you had to think about . shit you had to look at and interpret. eminem is a true artist i will give him that but don't say stupid shit like he's up there or above van gogh
it's CLEAR you have no scense of art!
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^^word. exactly what i was trying to say, but don't have the means or passion to put it down like that
NobodyButMe:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on January 15, 2004, 04:25:34 AM ---I dont consider Rap low end music, hella no focker
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i wouldn't think many people on a rap forum would consider rap music 'low end music' - but the rest of society considers rap the worst form of music.
NobodyButMe:
--- Quote from: Trauma Wilson on January 15, 2004, 02:52:04 AM ---Don, I'd also like to chime in that Dre didn't even write Nothin' but a G thang, he just sampled the shit, lol. If you've heard I wanna do something freaky to you, it's the same exact fucking beat. That would be like my biggest accomplishment as a producer being a new version of The Watcher. It'd be the same beat Dre did, lol.
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and dre even admits that he doesn't write his own lyrics on some songs...
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