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M Dogg™:

--- Quote from: Trauma Wilson on January 15, 2004, 12:16:07 PM ---no rapper alive can match the great poets of all time

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True, now that one dead rapper from Oakland, you know his name.... 2Pac, he was a poet. His book of poetry was great, and his music was great. His one of the very few rappers I think can compare to the all time great musicians. His impact on music is general will be felt for along time. His up there with Kurt Cobane, with John Lennon, with Marvin Gaye, as one of the greatest musical artist in the 20th Century.

Trauma-san:
I Honestly don't really like Tupac very much, on pretty much any level.  I will admit though that he was a poet.  

infinite59:
To break it down...  Alot of you are saying....  "Rappers aren't real musicians because making hip-hop beats isn't that complex."   And the notes of classical music were compared to the notes played in "Nothin But A G Thang".  I can't argue that.  Yeah, composing classical music is more complex.

But I don't care if your making music with sticks and trashcans.  If it's dope, it's dope.  And if you can make your music sound as good with a stick and a trashcan, as Mozart can with an orchestra; then that makes you better than Mozart.  

Secondly, I would put the lyrics of "Stan", "The Way I Am", "Me And My Girlfriend" or anything on Illmatic up against any "poet" of any era.

mauzip:
cam'ron no artist? then what is he? :-\ he's a rapper that brings out cd's and you say he's no artist? ::) :o

Trauma-san:

--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on January 16, 2004, 08:52:20 AM ---To break it down...  Alot of you are saying....  "Rappers aren't real musicians because making hip-hop beats isn't that complex."   And the notes of classical music were compared to the notes played in "Nothin But A G Thang".  I can't argue that.  Yeah, composing classical music is more complex.

But I don't care if your making music with sticks and trashcans.  If it's dope, it's dope.  And if you can make your music sound as good with a stick and a trashcan, as Mozart can with an orchestra; then that makes you better than Mozart.  

Secondly, I would put the lyrics of "Stan", "The Way I Am", "Me And My Girlfriend" or anything on Illmatic up against any "poet" of any era.

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Where you fuck up though, is when you assume you're right, LOL.  Just survey, oh, the 4 Billion or so people that have heard music since Beethoven wrote it, and ask them which they prefer.  Again, your arrogance and lack of respect is hilarious.

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