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What are your Views on Communists?
MANBEARPIG.:
--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on February 03, 2004, 03:24:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lincoln on February 02, 2004, 01:00:22 PM ---Some are good, some are bad. If Communism ran occordingly to the actual theory it would be the greatest thing in the world but unfortunately people are too greedy.
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Yeah. And people who consider capatilism a success aren't looking at it from other people's perspective. If you are poor, or your business has just been closed down because Wal-Mart moved in next to you... or if your country has just been invaded by another country who wants to privatize your natural resources; then capatalism isn't so great. I think everyone should have a food and shelter. Capatalism can't gaurantee that. Capatalism forces expensive items to be nessecities that weren't ever nessecities before; because the technology is controlling us... Rather than us controlling the technology.
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This is exactly why we live in a mixed economy, programs like WIC, Welfare, Medicare, and Medicaid. are the basis of communism, government controlling peoples lives to elimante class structure using various programs like these and these are in place for the poor, the people u describe there. When your ric your a republican, when your poor youra communist.
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: Ibrahim Islam on February 03, 2004, 03:24:27 PM ---
Yeah. And people who consider capatilism a success aren't looking at it from other people's perspective. If you are poor, or your business has just been closed down because Wal-Mart moved in next to you... or if your country has just been invaded by another country who wants to privatize your natural resources; then capatalism isn't so great. I think everyone should have a food and shelter. Capatalism can't gaurantee that. Capatalism forces expensive items to be nessecities that weren't ever nessecities before; because the technology is controlling us... Rather than us controlling the technology.
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Wrong...
Wealth does not create poverty.
"Evidence abounds that the fundamental cause of Third World poverty is not First World greed... it is the economic, political and social obstacles that developing nations themselves raise to progress by their aspiring poor." -Katherine Kersten
"Capitalism is not just a system for producing wealth. It is, above all else, a system based on the noblest moral principle: the protection of the individual's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Free markets are founded on the individual's right to pursue a career, trade the products of his effort, and enjoy the wealth he has earned without having to seek permission from others or pay ransom for the privilege of living." - Robert W. Tracinski
I'd like to see you try and explain how the world is a worse place because of capitalism.
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: Lincoln on February 03, 2004, 02:43:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Krayzie-Eyez Killah on February 03, 2004, 09:35:12 AM ---Communism won't work because it places the "Group" needs above the individuals needs. That's inherently wrong and a VERY misguided view about how people work.
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Very true. If people could work that way society would be perfect, but it will never happen.
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The way I look at it is this: If you say that the "group needs" are more important than an "individuals needs", dosen't that mean that some people's rights are more imporant than others? That's a fucked up way of thinking. It amazes me that people will preach all day about equal rights, and then go on to tell people about how great communism is.
Lincoln:
--- Quote from: Krayzie-Eyez Killah on February 03, 2004, 04:44:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lincoln on February 03, 2004, 02:43:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Krayzie-Eyez Killah on February 03, 2004, 09:35:12 AM ---Communism won't work because it places the "Group" needs above the individuals needs. That's inherently wrong and a VERY misguided view about how people work.
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Very true. If people could work that way society would be perfect, but it will never happen.
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The way I look at it is this: If you say that the "group needs" are more important than an "individuals needs", dosen't that mean that some people's rights are more imporant than others? That's a fucked up way of thinking. It amazes me that people will preach all day about equal rights, and then go on to tell people about how great communism is.
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Perhaps, that's not the way I look at it though. To me, the way I see it is that the everyone is the "group" and everyone is equal. Actually, I believe that's the basis of the actual Communist theory. Of course as we've seen with History, Communism has never worked except in Cuba, where the situation DID improve, although it's still not perfect there.
infinite59:
Some people would like to think that it's the poor peoples fault that they are poor. If this is the case, then why have certain groups, races, countries, tribes, communities; always been at the bottom? Why should the Native American community always live in the poorest conditions? The Native Americans have for centuries been the doormats of Western Civilization. Is this because they are inferior? Tell me why they are continually at the bottom? Why do black people make up 13% of the population but 50% of the prison population in America? Why are blacks, Native Americans, and Mexican communitites performing all the hard labor in this country and earning pennies.
Capatilism is a system that allows the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay poor. Rich people run our government. They perpetuate the system. Special interest groups write the rules in this country.
There has however; been some good in capatalism as well. America is the most efficient country in the world in my opinion. I have travelled to several countries. In America, if you go to an institution, and they tell you something will be done in 3-5 days, you can count on it. In alot of other countries things get done whenever people get around to it.
So there is good and bad in capatalism.
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