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The Ones To Blame For The Middle East
Jay ay Beee:
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yea,
in fact...tha list of those who r to be blamed for what"z going on in tha mid east goes far beyond palestinianz and jews.
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Word again
TheSheriff:
I_Geezy, to say no 17 year olds serve is naive. Your current Prime Minister became a soldier at 15...
About 10% of the Jenin Expeditionary Force admitted to being under 18...
And so on.
You are straight biased. I don't blame you for that. It is false to pretend not to be bias...But you are involved in this, and cannot see further than your own nose.
In fact, I am no liberal. I am a hard-line Conservative in British politics, though a traditional States Righter Democrat in America. I think most of this is BS, what the liberals say.
As for Sharon, investigate his conduct during the Yom Kippur War, and during the various skirmishes during the Gulf. He had recently admitted his wants no Arabs in Israel, and thinks they should have their own state only to get them out of his homeland.
Please remember, Geezy, I have personal experience of this, having lived in the Lebanon, and having visisted Israel and the West Bank regularly. I am, in fact, visiting Israel, circumstances permitting, this summer. I remember distinctly meeting Yitzak Rabin as a 6 year old, one of my few early memories. My father has a PhD in Political Science, and they discussed the things for a few minutes, as far as I remember. And I remember the one thought being that Rabin seemed a nice bloke.
When we look now, we have on one side a former terrorist and now hypocritical bureaucrat; and on the other a bloodthirsty (investigate the incidences noted above) coward. He promised in his election speeches he would "lead his men direct to the snake's den"...In fact, at the start of this, he promised he would go and deal with Arafat directly. Nothing has been done.
Both of these men are intelligent, but they are also senile. Sharon was a good man before the Gulf, and had made up for his mistakes in the Yom Kippur war where he had let his instincts loose. His personal sacrifices to protect Palestinians from MTE (Jewish extremist organization) and the Phalanx are laudable...But this current idiocy is not. I do not think there has been any massacre, but I think he had handled this so badly it is beyond belief.
Stop propping up a rotten edifice, a corrupt ex-soldier, a coward, please, Geezy. Your support of him and Likud pales beyond belief. An Arab Jew heckled him during a Knesset session, and Labour and many Likud members joined in. Everyone but you seems to realize he is senile and an idiot. They may support his actions to some extent; but, please note, a recent poll by the Likud Party communications office showed 65% unhappy with parts of the policy.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote ---I_Geezy, to say no 17 year olds serve is naive. Your current Prime Minister became a soldier at 15...
About 10% of the Jenin Expeditionary Force admitted to being under 18...
And so on.
You are straight biased. I don't blame you for that. It is false to pretend not to be bias...But you are involved in this, and cannot see further than your own nose.
In fact, I am no liberal. I am a hard-line Conservative in British politics, though a traditional States Righter Democrat in America. I think most of this is BS, what the liberals say.
As for Sharon, investigate his conduct during the Yom Kippur War, and during the various skirmishes during the Gulf. He had recently admitted his wants no Arabs in Israel, and thinks they should have their own state only to get them out of his homeland.
Please remember, Geezy, I have personal experience of this, having lived in the Lebanon, and having visisted Israel and the West Bank regularly. I am, in fact, visiting Israel, circumstances permitting, this summer. I remember distinctly meeting Yitzak Rabin as a 6 year old, one of my few early memories. My father has a PhD in Political Science, and they discussed the things for a few minutes, as far as I remember. And I remember the one thought being that Rabin seemed a nice bloke.
When we look now, we have on one side a former terrorist and now hypocritical bureaucrat; and on the other a bloodthirsty (investigate the incidences noted above) coward. He promised in his election speeches he would "lead his men direct to the snake's den"...In fact, at the start of this, he promised he would go and deal with Arafat directly. Nothing has been done.
Both of these men are intelligent, but they are also senile. Sharon was a good man before the Gulf, and had made up for his mistakes in the Yom Kippur war where he had let his instincts loose. His personal sacrifices to protect Palestinians from MTE (Jewish extremist organization) and the Phalanx are laudable...But this current idiocy is not. I do not think there has been any massacre, but I think he had handled this so badly it is beyond belief.
Stop propping up a rotten edifice, a corrupt ex-soldier, a coward, please, Geezy. Your support of him and Likud pales beyond belief. An Arab Jew heckled him during a Knesset session, and Labour and many Likud members joined in. Everyone but you seems to realize he is senile and an idiot. They may support his actions to some extent; but, please note, a recent poll by the Likud Party communications office showed 65% unhappy with parts of the policy.
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hmm..as for sharon becoming a soljha at age 15...do you know what"z time diffrence? ;D....back when sharon waz young shit waz diffrend....not only in Israel ...all over tha world...lol
what i"m sayin iz dat right now there iz almost no way a 17 year old iz gon be a combat soljha...blieve me on this one....18 iz tha minimum age.....there iz no way 10 per cent iz 17....unless there iz some externic unit....lol.
man...you"re saying that i"m bias....and that i can"t see pass my own nose...ok....if i have an opinion that iz based on factz i"m biased....:)...fine....again Sharon came to be tha prime long after tha intifaada started...how can you blame him for whaz going on?..... you"re sayin i"M close minded but you bring childish remarks like "why don"t tha leaderz fight their warz..phisiclly"....man what era you living in...i ain"t dissen you or anythang ...but when you say Sharon wants a state for the palestinianz to get them out of Israel you describe fully tha left wing(this iz not a typing mistake) theory....that Perez supports.....tha one Ben Gurion created....and it"z tha reason why tha likud eilte aint HAPPY WIT HIM...as for yo views in politicz(yes you"re overlly equalizing and liberally directed...at least in this erea...but hey...) i can"t blame you ...it"z yo view.you prolly making up for the right wing ish you support in UK...:)...na...i mean..you"re saying you got expirience and that you used to live near by...and that u visit Israel...ok many do...but i live here ...i watch the news 24\7.......just cauze we ain"t got no other way...datz what you get while living in fear....and i think i"m much mo informed.
i ain"t gloryfying Sharon or anythang i just think that he (in hiz senior age) haz as lil as you can think of interestz to move forward in the political game...so for tha most he"z prolly tha most honest person to touch politicz in a long time.
what sharon did during hiz army service iz thingz that he waz said to do by the upper leadership, nothin more nothin less...and yea when mistakes do happen..tha most active army comandors get blameD...so what.
again...you prolly flipped for most cauze i aksed how you
can compare an Army that iz based on human rights to a buncho' terroristz....hmmm...imo it"z like comparing tha US soljhaz to the Taliban....if this makes me close minded than fine.
p.s there iz no need to diss to prove somethin"...if you doing that, it only showes how touchy and insecure you r.
TheSheriff:
I didn't diss you at all.
Actually, the Labour view, particularly that of Barak, was one of first integration, then a separate state. It is the stated aim of Likud to "defend our Jewish homeland". Not Semitic; Jewish.
I do think you have more up to date news, but remember, you're involved in this war. I'm not. I'm a Christian Lebanese supporter, so I hate/like both sides equally, num sayin?
And those weren't childish remarks; they were points to prove the hypocrisy of Sharon.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote ---I didn't diss you at all.
Actually, the Labour view, particularly that of Barak, was one of first integration, then a separate state. It is the stated aim of Likud to "defend our Jewish homeland". Not Semitic; Jewish.
I do think you have more up to date news, but remember, you're involved in this war. I'm not. I'm a Christian Lebanese supporter, so I hate/like both sides equally, num sayin?
And those weren't childish remarks; they were points to prove the hypocrisy of Sharon.
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yea...you didn"t diss me, actually it just looked like it...never mind bout that....it"z all good. ;)
anyway.....tha original Labor ideology(founded by Ben Gurion) is seperation(not integration....tha proof to this...-if there"s gonna be an integration ....there will be a majority of palestinians in Israel....which will stop it from being either a JEWISH state or a democratical one,as tha Israeli declaration sayes...it"z real complicated man...it aint black and white)...this is tha basic statment of tha Zionistic left wing...on the other hand tha OG likud (gained such hystorical supportaz..that represent likud...as ZEBOTINSKI) were talking bout a by-national country....
wit the years things changed....and tha practical solutions for tha oposIng sides IDEOLOGYs got supprisinglly mixed ...and changed sides(kinda pradoxsycal) but you really need to know tha hystory of Israel"z original zionisitc right and og zionistic left..to know what i"m talking about.....
as for those statements...how can i not consider them childish...if they reflect somethin as weird as "let tha presidents and polititions...phisiclly fight the wars..." i ain"t dissen" it just seems like somethin that was written" to create lotsa noise...
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