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Israel v.s Palestine THA BASICS (post up)

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Hack Wilson - real:
well you got a bunch of crazy muslims

and a bunch of crazy jews


and they all wanna blow eachother up and for some reason we want to stop them

morbidenigma:
my thoughts on it
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This is a conflict which attention to is poured out for a few weeks every few years when tensions are aggravated after one side's perceived over use of aggression normally when everyone has forgotten that Joseph Kony still hasn't bought to trial for abducting children even after the Facebook page was liked by millions or the latest scandal of Pakistani gangs grooming white girls in a small English city or that are our girls still haven't been brought back from Boko Haram even after Michelle Obama's held up a sign with a solemn expression.

So we get the simplistic cloned arguments regurgitated from both sides that still didn't win people's hearts and minds the last time many people were engrossed in the debate when the same hullabaloo was made a few years ago and almost identical disinformation and misinformation was parroted out. One such prime example being the inaccurate map of the region pro Palestinians put out showing how more and more of a Sovereign Arab Palestine(as the map implies) has been stolen by Israel and how a sovereign Arab Palestine existed prior to the creation of Israel. This being obviously factually untrue to anyone who has read up on the history of the British Empire as before the UN Partition plan in 1948 Palestine/Israel where it stands now was a polity of the British Empire which they had won from The Ottomans Turks in World War 1 and not a Sovereign Arab State. This map also appears to ignore how the West Bank was occupied by Jordan between until 1967 and Gaza by Egypt until 1967 because as we have substantiated by now occupation by Jews deserve greater deliberation than non-Jewish Occupations such as the Occupation of Northern Cyprus by Turkey, West Papua by Indonesia and the Western Sahara by Morocco.

So who legitimately has more right to the land. Self determination and complete self autonomy and self governance of where Israel/Palestine stands now has not been something the indigenous people of Palestine/Israel have enjoyed for chiliads. It has been a segment of land which has been consecutively been passed around the imperial baton between competing empires with many a bloodbath since the Romans.

There is the abundant grievances. Yes, Israel as a nation state has conducted over zealous military operations for decades. Yes Israel continues to forcefully evict and demolish the homes of Palestinians in the West Bank which corrodes the hope for peace and stability and embitters Palestinians. Yes, Israel as a nation is only able to existing due to chequebooks of US Taxpayers. Yes, most Muslim majority countries in the world are guilty of atrocious human rights abuses. Yes, those Muslim majority countries with wealth are reliant economically on the same countries in the Western World that back degenerates in the Middle East. Yes Hamas is a terrorist organisation which indiscriminately fires rockets into Israel. Yes Hamas's charter is overtly anti-Jewish.

The reason Guardianistas side with Palestine is because they are a impoverished people living with restricted autonomy on the receiving end of state materially backed by that "that Imperialist Capitalist USA". The reason nearly all Muslims side with the Palestinians is due to religious blinkers, with most of them insouciant to all the abhorrent acts committed in Muslim majority countries, many a time in the name of Islam with validations from Islamic texts. Many Muslims are galvanised to be Anti-Israel purely or primarily because they are anti-Jewish but they know to be openly anti-Jewish in the 21st Century in a Western Country is going to make them look bigoted and/or racist so around non Muslims they will use euphemisms such as "anti-Zionism", "anti-Occupation" to describe what they are against, but when non-Muslims are not around and when with their Muslim brethren they will openly pontificate about how Allah has promised and how it's prophesied that they will destroy the Jews and how "all Jews are evil".

The reason many in Western Governance side with Israel is due to an vested interest in the geopolitics of the region and because they see Israel as an outpost that will deter the re-emergence of a theological empire that achieves a vast dominance in the region in a region which has had 1300 years of Islamic imperialism. They will point to how domestically is Israel is a beacon of democracy, progressive values and freedoms in comparison to socially conservative Arabs but yet many have cordial trading relations with the very same Arab countries.

The reason most Jews side with Israel due to their religious blinkers, most of them insouciant to all atrocities committed in the name of Zionism and all the horrific jaw dropping barbarity in the Torah. There are some Jews who say Israel is their promised land given to them by Yahweh as stated it the books of Genesis and Exodus, yet many are people ignorant of this or some of those that aren't will be mendacious and completely deny Judaism has anything to with Zionism. Yes there are Zionists who aren't Jews, and Jews who aren't Zionists, but too many Jews Zionism had a divine mandate in The doctrines of Judaic Scriptures.

The colossal hurdle for non- Zionist Jews is that religious Zionists Jews adhere to the Judaic scriptures more precisely and sincerely and so have more intellectually candid stance. One reason serious evaluation of the role of Judaism is evaded in criticism of Zionism is because of the taboos still associated with criticising religion in 2014 in many places because of how religion is seen as "something personal". Decide for yourself how personal religion is when the adverse effects of those who say they are motivated by their religion work to the detriment of others frequently with fatal results. Another reason criticism of the role of Judaism in Zionism is sidestepped is because of how it's fallaciously conflated by some with being "anti-Semitic" as a red herring with the intention to divert attention away from addressing Israel's atrocities, and because of the associations of the Holocaust with Anti-Semitism, there's a scarcity of pejorative's that you can be called that are worse than an "Anti-Semite". The Muslims who don't bring up the role of Judaism in Zionism do so for glaring reasons as the obvious rebuttal would be highlighting how Islamic scriptures are used for noxious purposes.

Most ordinary citizens living in the US & UK are afforded a higher degree of freedom and autonomy and are not disconcerted about the Middle East as they have their more comfortable lavish lifestyle (playing Farmville on Facebook or watching Eastenders on Iplayer), other than the few who always want to show that they are concerned with showing concern for the latest fad and appearing to have a popularity contest with others to show whose down with the latest cause. Yes quickly change your handle name on twitter to who you support.

It is a situation that has no uncomplicated straight forward fix. There is no solution as long as the ideologies that pervade the globe continue to be so disconnected and distant. It is quite easy to be sitting in the comfort of a semi detached property in England with your freedoms to express your opinion and attack either side but nobody will never get anywhere with so much contempt for the other. Most people will look at the conflict through the lens of a of being pro one side or the other based on their loyalties and affinities, such a visceral tribal mentality endures. The issue is far more complex that tallying up the atrocities of the other side whilst downplaying and deemphasing the relevance of the atrocities of your own side.  This conflict has been going on since the birth of anyone reading this and for more than a couple of millennia in the region. What you come to grasp is that if there is one thing that will last forever, it's conflict in the Middle East

Hack Wilson - real:
do they sell team Israel and team palestine jerseys?

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