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Iraq was invaded 'to protect Israel' - US official
King Tech Quadafi:
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--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on March 31, 2004, 05:14:55 PM ---1. there are no Islamic dictatorships in the middle east. The rest of the leaders are for the most part supported, funded and in some cases propped up by the US of A
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"Except Turkey, and Egypt, no Muslim majority country has a sustained democratic tradition. But most Muslim populations look up upon Islamic dictatorships or monarchies.
"Theocratic dictatorships include Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Jordan (despotic monarchies), Syria, Iraq, Chad, (dictatorships) Iran (nominal democracy under strain from clerics), Kuwait (nominal democracy under emirate), UAE, North Yemen (and occupied South Yemen which had a sort of democratic set up earlier), Libya, Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria (Military rule of secularized military), Pakistan, Uganda (a Christian majority country that had a taste of Islamic dictatorship under Idi Amin), Afghanistan (theocratic dictatorship of the Taliban) etc"
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on March 31, 2004, 05:14:55 PM ---2. what does the fact that the arab countries are useless and backwards have anything to do with the fact that Israelis occupy land, oppress and deprive palestinians of basic human rights and basiclly control the US congress? What does the fact that Arabs occupy whatever fuckin percentage of land have to do with the fact that Israeli should not own the land it does. Classic concept. Changing the subject, reverse the roles, in an attempt to cover up one's own transgressions
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"Under international law, a land can only be "occupied" by attacking and overcoming a sovereign nation. The disputed territories in Israel were never part of a sovereign nation. These lands were conquered by Jordan and Egypt in 1948 after the British vacated the area. Both Jordan and Egypt have rescinded their claim to these lands. There has never been a Palestinian state or a "Palestinian" people who had sovereignty over these lands.
In addition, these lands were gained by Israel in 1967, in a defensive war. Thus it is impossible to define these lands as "occupied" territories.
97% of all Palestinians in the disputed territories are under Palestinian Authority rule. Due to Israeli concessions, the Palestinian Authority has its own police force and controls municipal affairs for almost the entire Palestinian population. No Palestinian needs to see an Israeli unless he chooses to leave the area controlled by the PA and enter into Israeli territory. This situation is identical to any other bi-national border."
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on March 31, 2004, 05:14:55 PM ---3. "Four agressive imperialist wars" I'll give u "imperialist" for the case of Jordan, since they ended up occupying the west bank in the 48 war. But cmon, arab countries attacking a foreign imposed israeli presence is not imperialism. The 1967 war? You do know that Israel fired the first shot in that war right? You know they used the pretense of Egyptian troop mobilization to launch air strikes that completely wiped out the Egyptian air force. Third, the 1973 Yom Kippu war, how was this an imperialist war when the Israelis them selves occupied their land illegally, and the Arab attack was simply to reverse this scenerio. I dont think you have a rational understanding of imperialism. Look up US Foreign Policy.
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Let's look at some of the arab leaders quotes from the time period:
Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad
"Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united....I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation."
Nasser:
"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel...to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations."
"As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."
What were those supposed to mean? That the Arabs weren't going to attack?
You can say that Isreal fired the first shot all you want, but anybody with basic knowledge of warfare would tell you that it wasn't unprovoked. You've got armies lining up on your borders and rhetoric like that coming your way, what are you gonna do? Sit back on your laurels and wait to get attacked? Come on. You seem to think you're a smart guy, why don't you act like it?
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1. Out of all those countries u listed, the only middle eastern countries with a claim to being an Islamic dictatorship is Libya, and their Islamic legitimacy has crumbled years ago. Islamic extremism has been a thorn in Qadhafis side for a while now. The Saudi Regime is a monarchy, and Iran ceased being an Islamic dictatorship since Khomeini died. So I dont see a use for this info
2. Again, the fundemental issue is not being adressed here. What does "international law" mean to a Palestinian that was kicked off his land. Lost in all this talk of intenational law, and borders, and sovereignity is the fact that Palestinians were pushed off their land. Very simple man. Second despite the informative nature of your point, it was irrelevent to the discussion. "Israel occupies palestinian land, deprives them of basic human rights, and controls the US congress." This is what I said, but its not what you responded to amigo.
3. Youre quoting Nasser and Assad. Their elegent speech made up for horrible economic policies. You do know that Nasser was off on some rant every week on Free Arab radio right? You do know that symbolic rhetoric with some Islamic or Arabic historical reference is as much a mainstay of Arab politics /(especially from that era) as petro dollar spending emirs. Cmon man, youre talkin, but you aint sayin nuthin maaaan.
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