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I hate to say this but...hip-hop/rap is negative music
Trauma-san:
--- Quote from: Luke on April 09, 2004, 10:47:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on April 09, 2004, 09:08:22 AM ---Hiphop is life and life is negative.
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life's only negative if you let it be
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Exactly... in the end, it attracts two elements. Doggy's generally an upbeat optimistic person (or he's trying to be), so he realizes that Rap is negative, and life doesn't have to be like that.
Others feel that life is negative, and they think they relate to rap better.
Personally, I left most rap behind long ago, I know the shit's negative, and I'm just bored with negativity. It doesn't interest me. I don't know if it holds me back, but I just don't have an interest in it, so I don't listen to most of it.
7even:
--- Quote from: Moncharelli on April 10, 2004, 11:50:05 AM ---damn, no disrespect intended, cos i dont know u but, some of those things u said about ur life i.e. bad grades at school, no job...are things that are kind of self inflicted...like, no matter what people say, everyone is capable of getting good grades, even if not in all subjects, and so job prospects are a follow on from that. i agree with Luke, there are a lot of people who are worse off in this world, for example i work with the a Red Cross project near where i live, with guys who are severely disabled, who are unable to walk, talk, have no control over there limbs etc etc...and they attend college to try and better themselves rather than focusing on the negativity...
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see... I know I talked about some things that only concern me and some of them I might even be capable to change, but most things concern all of us and most things arent changeable. I know that I dont have the worst life and shit, and that's what makes the world so damn negative, get it? My post wasnt intended to say how bad my life is, ppl who got it that way got it wrong... it was intended to describe how negative this whole fuckin globe is. you rather complete my theory wit your post instead of backin up Luke's without even knowing it.
-Vorte[ x ]-:
Good thread Doggy, props, I respect it. A lot of hip hop is negative, and it's understandable to some degree. We know how hip hop originated, and where most of the rappers came from. We understand the situations in the ghettos, and respect the fact that they shed light on them, brought some harsh reality to music, which is really an expression of self. But what gets annoying, is how rappers, to this day, still keep rapping about the same thing. We know how hard it is in the hood, and many people have experienced it, we know how messed up things are, its reality. But now it seems as if its a gimmick, people are just rapping about it, for the heck of it. It gets tiring to hear about fucking bitches, getting high, drinkin and about life is hard. It gets to the point when you're basically just hearing complaints over a beat. Hearing some one speak out and challange the fakeness in the media, show the reality of life instead of making music an escapist form of art is commendable and very interesting, but its the same thing over and over, its getting tiring. Heck, most rappers who talk about how hard life was in the hood didn't even have it that bad, compared to some living in countries like Africa or India. It's almost selfish.
There is negativity in the world, its a well known fact, but complaing about it isn't going to make a difference, wether you make a song about it, or a speech. I understand music is an expression of self, but instead of just complaning, maybe they should talk about how to make things better. I don't want someone rapping like they're in some sort of magical fantasy place where everything is always alright, and I don't want to hear someone constantly moaning and complaining about life, always looking at the darker side. Saying 'fuck the world' never helped anyone. And like I said earlier, the saddest thing is, most rappers just use it as a gimmick, a way to make money. Suddenly getting shot is cool, being "ghetto'" is cool (to all the people who are still in school, how many times have you heard someone say "ghetto" as a replacement for "cool" or "dope"?) Now it just gets pathetic, insulting to the people who really suffer.
And yes, I realize there are songs for different ocasions, a club song might have sexual references in it, or getting drunk etc. I can kinda understand that, and I don't care, but it gets annoying when thats ALLL a rapper ever talks about. Where is the originality? The content? Now days, theres not really much difference between one rapper or the other. Even if both claim to be rivals, when you get down to it, they really rap about the same damn stuff.
Yes we know life is hard, yes we know a lot of things suck, and we all enjoy sex, so its getting tiring to hear about these things in every track. If you really WANT to talk about how the world is messed up, also talk about what you can do about it. Or if you just want to complain, then stop talking solely about "the hood" and talk about how other people have it tougher.
As far as the influence upon children goes, personally I beleive that one of the most important gifts of man, is the ability to choose. You CHOOSE to be affected by a person or a thing, you make decisions every day, and you alone are responsible for your actions.
-V[ X ]
Don Breezio:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on April 10, 2004, 06:11:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Moncharelli on April 10, 2004, 11:50:05 AM ---damn, no disrespect intended, cos i dont know u but, some of those things u said about ur life i.e. bad grades at school, no job...are things that are kind of self inflicted...like, no matter what people say, everyone is capable of getting good grades, even if not in all subjects, and so job prospects are a follow on from that. i agree with Luke, there are a lot of people who are worse off in this world, for example i work with the a Red Cross project near where i live, with guys who are severely disabled, who are unable to walk, talk, have no control over there limbs etc etc...and they attend college to try and better themselves rather than focusing on the negativity...
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see... I know I talked about some things that only concern me and some of them I might even be capable to change, but most things concern all of us and most things arent changeable. I know that I dont have the worst life and shit, and that's what makes the world so damn negative, get it? My post wasnt intended to say how bad my life is, ppl who got it that way got it wrong... it was intended to describe how negative this whole fuckin globe is. you rather complete my theory wit your post instead of backin up Luke's without even knowing it.
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but the thing is there are very few things that are negative in life that you can't change....like obviously you can't change the fact that there is war....but look at the war this way...we're over there helping out other people so that we can make their lives a little bit more positive (GOD I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT). the fact is for every negative thing about life i could think of 100 positive things to cancel it out.
7even:
--- Quote from: Luke on April 11, 2004, 12:54:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on April 10, 2004, 06:11:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Moncharelli on April 10, 2004, 11:50:05 AM ---damn, no disrespect intended, cos i dont know u but, some of those things u said about ur life i.e. bad grades at school, no job...are things that are kind of self inflicted...like, no matter what people say, everyone is capable of getting good grades, even if not in all subjects, and so job prospects are a follow on from that. i agree with Luke, there are a lot of people who are worse off in this world, for example i work with the a Red Cross project near where i live, with guys who are severely disabled, who are unable to walk, talk, have no control over there limbs etc etc...and they attend college to try and better themselves rather than focusing on the negativity...
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see... I know I talked about some things that only concern me and some of them I might even be capable to change, but most things concern all of us and most things arent changeable. I know that I dont have the worst life and shit, and that's what makes the world so damn negative, get it? My post wasnt intended to say how bad my life is, ppl who got it that way got it wrong... it was intended to describe how negative this whole fuckin globe is. you rather complete my theory wit your post instead of backin up Luke's without even knowing it.
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but the thing is there are very few things that are negative in life that you can't change....like obviously you can't change the fact that there is war....but look at the war this way...we're over there helping out other people so that we can make their lives a little bit more positive (GOD I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT). the fact is for every negative thing about life i could think of 100 positive things to cancel it out.
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1. I want to believe that too, but I cant. Making yourself more naive than you actually are isnt the best solution I can think of.
2. I cant think of more positive things.
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