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Hamas Leader Killed
Don Seer:
^ OMg... are you really THAT stupid?
so people who HAVENT BEEN TRIED IN COURT deserve to die along with their INNOCENT CHILDREN
smerlus:
terrorism
n : the systematic use of violence as a means to intimidate or coerce societies or governments
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you're right....Israelis are terrorists....they're trying coerce the palistinian government to STOP SENDING INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH BOMBS ATTACHED TO THEM...
why can't the Israelis just let the palistinian people blow up what they want and take land from the israelis?
Don Seer:
to be honest, in the israel / palestine thing.
i think they're both pretty fuckin evil by now and any sense of logic went out of the window years ago.
Don Rizzle:
well palestinians have way more casulties and they lost all that land, heres some figures.
In the 6 months between Sept. 29, 2000, March 31, 2001. 65 Israelis and 343 Palestinians died
http://www.sfbg.com/37/35/news_chron.html
--- Quote ---Israel's moral inferiority exemplified (for dummies)
Baha Abushaqra
September 27, 2002
A recent statistical assessment carried by the AP [1] determined that close to half of the victims of Israel's so-called "targeted killings," perpetrated by state of the art military, are bystanders.
Referring to the so-called "targeted killings," the AP story put it as follows: "In two years of fighting, such attacks have killed 78 militants and 52 civilians."
Who is a "militant" according to Israel? Who is a "terrorist" according to Israel? Apparently, they both deserve the same fate -- extra-judicial liquidation!
52 Palestinian civilians out of a total of 130 killed is 40%, notwithstanding the injured. Not very "targeted," wouldn't you agree?
But, let's put things into perspective.
IDF sources put the Israeli civilian causality rate, due to Palestinian attacks, at 436 out of 622 total deaths (Sept 29, 2000 - Sept 26, 2002) [2]. This means that the Israeli civilian causality rate is at 70%. There is a catch though: Israel considers armed settlers as civilians [various UN resolutions have reaffirmed the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for liberation from colonial domination and alien subjection, "by all available means including armed struggle" [3]]. Though it is hard to obtain specific data, anyone who has been following the intifada would agree that it would be reasonable to say that 50% of these so-called Israeli civilians were actually settlers.
So, that puts the Israeli civilian causality rate closer to 35%. In other words, comparable to that of Israel's "targeted attacks."
Settlers qualify as militants par excellence, not only because they live on confiscated land in apartheid ivory towers but also because they have been actively involved in the killing of Palestinian civilians.
"Targeted killings" have killed 78 Palestinian "militants," the AP story said, and you get the impression it was ok! What about the worthiness of Israeli militants? What's good for the goose...?
But wait! Out of 1,897 total Palestinian deaths (Sept 29, 2000 - Sept 22, 2002) (40,000 plus injured), about 85% are non-combatants (22% under 18) [4].
That's a civilian causality rate of 3:1 (three times more Palestinian civilians killed than Israeli civilians killed).
This is material for great embarrassment for Israel, for it proves that the Israeli forces are as every bit as sadistic as the suicide bombers, notwithstanding the age-old military occupation.
Israel is the occupier, the overlord, yet it still claims moral superiority. How does that work? They kill, injure and maim a multitude more of civilians, notwithstanding the havoc, confiscate land, bulldoze homes, uproot orchids, shoot unarmed demonstrators, etc and still claim moral superiority?
--- End quote ---
http://www.mideastjournal.com/israelsmoralinferiority.html
--- Quote ---Sharon's U-turn on talks with Palestinians
USA must pressure Israel: Arab ministers
Jerusalem, March 9
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has said that truce talks with the Palestinians would have to take place "under fire", apparently backing down on his demand for a prior seven-day period of calm.
"I thought we could reach a period of respite before a ceasefire," Sharon yesterday told Israel's second television channel. "But this is a war situation we are experiencing."
"The negotiations for a ceasefire will take place under fire," the Premier was quoted as saying by the television, which stressed Sharon was going back on his condition for a week of total calm.
However, an adviser to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat dismissed the surprise declaration from Sharon as having "no value" and said the Israelis would have to stop their raids into Palestinian lands.
"Sharon must realize that he cannot obtain an end to the violence with a military solution. His declaration on negotiations of a truce "under fire" have no value; he must stop his massacres and aggression against the Palestinian people," Nabil Abou Roudeina, told newsmen in Gaza city.
Sharon had not budged since his election as Israel's Prime Minister more than a year ago in his insistence on a period of seven days of calm before negotiating with the Palestinians.
His apparent turnaround comes ahead of a new visit to the region next week by US peace envoy Anthony Zinni and at the end of the deadliest day of Israeli-Palestinian violence since 1987.
Sharon has come under intense U.S. pressure to implement the deal "as quickly as possible" amid the most ferocious fighting since a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation broke out in September 2000 after peace talks froze.
Palestinian officials said his shift amounted to an admission Israel's security policies had failed.
Israeli forces inflicted the bloodiest losses on Palestinians on any single day of the fighting, killing 38 in raids yesterday after an attack on a Jewish settlement in Gaza in which five students were killed.
Total Palestinian deaths in the uprising exceeded 1,000 as Israel launched air, land and sea assaults on the West Bank and Gaza as part of Sharon's declared aim to hit Palestinians hard until they sue for peace.
The number of Israeli fatalities stood at nearly 320, according to a tally compiled by Reuters.
Palestinian officials have accused the Israeli army of carrying out "massacres" but the Israeli government says it is striking at "terror networks" that have targeted Israelis with suicide bombings and shooting attacks.
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my origional statement of 10 times more palestinians have died may have been an exageration but the above shows the differences
smerlus:
once again, you're comparing terrorists to a government..... let every single person in baltimore take up arms against the US and you'll see alot of dead people from baltimore and hardly any US military casualties....
the palistinians don't have the technology that israeli does...
plus the situation over there looks like that movie "Swordfish" if a terrorist blows up a building in israel, israelis level a few blocks...
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