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Shallow:
comparing throwing out merchants from a temple, is hardly the same as mass murder during war. Jesus had a great following and I'm sure he could have utilized them as an army, also his power that he showed during the gospel far surpassed anything shown from man before and after (even Muhamed). I'm talking about the miracles he performed.

The problem I have with Muhamed's fight against oppression is that I don't it is right to hurt anyone because they hurt you, and cetainly not kill. And besides if when we die we are taken to a better place then wouldn't the ultimate reward on earth be death, why commit evil deeds to keep yourself from acheiving what is better.

Personally I don't care much for the Church and feel it goes against the one it follows in so many ways. I just can't find anything wrong with what Jesus said or did. I can't say the same for Muhamed.

Once again, I'm not condemning anyone to hell or anything like that. But I do think its foolish to follow any organized religion if you are at peace with yourself. Some people lack self control and need discipline, that's fine. But all the answers are not in any book. You have to dig deep inside and feel whats right and wrong. The heart never lies, atleast it never has for me. Not to say I've never done anything wrong, but I know when I've done wrong. All the technicalities of how to do things like eat, pray, conduct economics and politics change with the times. I feel Jesus knew this and that is why he rarely touched on these issues, particularly the outer worldy ones. When he was asked for the answers of the universe he answered that humans cannot even figure out what's right in front of them, so how can they understand what they cannot see.

So every time someone says that the bible or the quran explains science, I say their full of shit, because science is full of shit. Sure it leads to easier living but science is always proven wrong by more advanced science. For thousands of years scietists believed that if you drop two objects the heavier one will fall faster, until someone tried it and realized thats not the case. So I will not be surprised one bit that science's outlook on outer space completely changes in a hundred or so years.
Sorry to get off topic. As for the God on earth thing with Jesus. The prophecy did say Immanuel ( God with us) would come. And besides there are far more absurd things in the scriptures than that.

7even:

--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2004, 08:40:00 PM ---You could be right, After all religion is based on faith and faith is not based on fact. I don't think I could ever be an athiest, because if all I believe in is whats right in front of me, and when I die thats it, then whats the point of life. Humans need hope, and I feel bad for those thet have none, not to say that you have no hope, or that you are a bad person. But your thoughts ae better fit for another thread. I just want to know why christians turn to Islam, and I want a better reason than because God doesn't need a son, thats all.

--- End quote ---

-the point of life is to reproduce and keep your race alive. that's the reason why stuff like love and friendship exists. it's all in the brain. your brain gives you the impulse for certain persons we call "love". that's just because if parents would not love their children, they would die. if ppl wouldnt love a person, feel attracted to persons, they wouldnt fuck. moreover that is the reason why homosexuality is a fuckin disease. they cant reproduce.
aint no further point in life. thinkin you go to heaven or somethin is childish in my opinion. dont get how any adult person get to really believin this. I guess it's like you said, ppl need hope. so the losers and the ppl who have a fucked up life believe in god .. for hope. that's also why the less civilized areas have stronger believers. so I guess ima semi-quote Nietzsche: God is some imaginary thing for losers who cant get along in life.

Shallow:
I admitted that I don't know the answers of the universe, and also that no one really does. Men older and wiser than you have questioned the meaning of life for centuries and have found no answer. And I think its stupid of you to come up with a definate answer and present it as a fact. Just as stupid as Nietzsche was, (and Immortal Technique is).

And how you say that no adult should dumb enough to believe in God. First off stupider things have happened. Second I ask you a question, two actually. Let's say you lived in the time of Jesus and you're mother was brutally raped and killed, and you mention this to him, and with the flick of a wrist he ressurects her and then tells you it is by the will of God you have you're mother back. Would you still doubt his existence? SecondIf the point of life is to reproduce and keep the race alive, then what would it matter if were dead and gone anyway. The first question was hypothetical since you don't belive in God.

Also were you raised athiest or did you choose it? And if so Why?
just curious.

7even:
I dont doubt Jesus' existence. He was a special guy and I respect him. But that's about it.
Further I think yall believers got the meaning of Jesus as God's Son wrong. It is said we are all god's sons. According to that, of fuckin course Jesus was God's Son! Got it? He was human like you and me. A charismatic guy who had mad struggles in life. But that's about it.
And about the mother-thingy-dont take the bible literally. It's not even supposed to be taken literally.
Second: It would not matter. It's just another race died out. Could be worse, our race wipes out other races all the time. (Remark for dickheads: talking about race, I refer to the human race.) We are just the currently predominant race of our time. If there was a God, what's the difference between a Dinosaur and a Human? WHAT? It's gotta be all the same to God, our race didnt start wit Adam and Eva and an apple, now aint that a bitch.

Shallow:
I still haven't heard to many replies to the original question I asked, or aren't there as many Christians turned Muslims on this forum as I thought.

And harbinger you didn't really answer the first or third questions I asked you.

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