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R. Kelly - You Saved My Life
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Luke on April 25, 2004, 06:38:54 PM ---i would say that question is pointless because its two different types of music. thats like saying..."dude...dell computers are way better than a monopoly board"...but then again...according to you since its all part of the gaming industry then they should be compared. ::)
and no...baseball rarely changes...the only thing in baseball that has been a major change was when black people were allowed to play in the MLB and there was no more negro league and when they started doing interleague play...other than that it hasn't changed at all...its still the same rules as it was before.
so yes i could compare babe ruth and barry bonds...but then again...babe ruth wasnt the greatest player of all time or anything and considering if i remember correctly the only record he still holds is being the all time strike out king? i would think that was pretty obvious.
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First I would like to apologize for the length of my posts, because I know you don't appreciate it but:
Since your not much of a baseball fan I'll clue you in on some changes, major ones. In 1920 they released a new ball that allowed the pitchers to throw five to ten mph faster, it helped the hitters get a lot more homeruns, which explains why guys like Ty Cobb, Jonas Wagner, and Joe Jackson didn't have to many homeruns. Another major change is the salaries, today players are full time ball players and train for the off season, back then when the season was over players had to go get a real job and make due. This I mentioned this is less time practicing can have an effect on your game. One more thing I'll mention is with regards to the Babe's homerun count, Yankee stadium back then had a staight away centre of 450 and most other parks were longer as well, and Ruth had like 15-20 pop outs in the centre field warning track the year he hit 60, in todays field that would have meant 75-80 homeruns for the year, and who knows how many more warning track catches would have been HRs in other fields. As for the Hank Aaron record, Aaron had over 3000 more at bats and almost 1000 less intentional walks during his career, which means 4000 more chances to hit homeruns and he hit a little over 40 more than Ruth.
Also I never said Babe was the greatest, but you tell mee another player who has mutiple 40+ homerun seasons and ERAs under 2.0 with 30 games pitched, not even the great Satchel Paige can say that, (but you probably don't know who that is).
Sorry to get off topic but putting down Bruce is one thing, but putting down baseball, that's playing with fire. But to reply to your statement of Monopoly vs a PC, that is difference. Music is universal and will always be the same at heart, it only appears to be different on the outside. Both Jay Z and the Beatles have songs that reflect their outlook, both use musical accompaniment to establish a mood, both use lyrical wit to enhance and encrypt their message. Music is music, just because it sounds different doesn't mean it is. Jay Z and Nas sound different but it's okay to argue who's better with them. Just because the beatles sing and Jay Z talks doesn't mean its all that different.
I remember seeind an old McDonalds commercial where an old man is walking with his grandson eating the new fries they were pushing at the time, and there is this guy rapping on a street corner. The kid asks his grandfather "whats he doing?" and the grand father says he's rapping, the kid asks why, and the grandfather replys "Because he can't sing". I assure if Jay felt he could sing he wouldn't be rapping.
With that being said and being pretty much irrelevent ( I liked that commercial), the meaning behind music now and music in the 60s (everything from Bob Dylan to today) has the same thing behind it, an introspective or retrospective message conveyed through lyrics and music.
and if I want to say the Beatles were better at doing that than Jay Z is I can, and I feel it is not unreasonable to do so.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Ma$e Is My Homeboy (D-Metro) on April 26, 2004, 04:33:37 AM ---Holy shit I just noticed I type You're instead of Your, I never do that.
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Hey, don't worry about it.
Don Breezio:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 26, 2004, 08:47:17 AM ---First I would like to apologize for the length of my posts, because I know you don't appreciate it but:
Since your not much of a baseball fan I'll clue you in on some changes, major ones. In 1920 they released a new ball that allowed the pitchers to throw five to ten mph faster, it helped the hitters get a lot more homeruns, which explains why guys like Ty Cobb, Jonas Wagner, and Joe Jackson didn't have to many homeruns. Another major change is the salaries, today players are full time ball players and train for the off season, back then when the season was over players had to go get a real job and make due. This I mentioned this is less time practicing can have an effect on your game. One more thing I'll mention is with regards to the Babe's homerun count, Yankee stadium back then had a staight away centre of 450 and most other parks were longer as well, and Ruth had like 15-20 pop outs in the centre field warning track the year he hit 60, in todays field that would have meant 75-80 homeruns for the year, and who knows how many more warning track catches would have been HRs in other fields. As for the Hank Aaron record, Aaron had over 3000 more at bats and almost 1000 less intentional walks during his career, which means 4000 more chances to hit homeruns and he hit a little over 40 more than Ruth.
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so basically what you're saying is that the last big change you can remember happened 80+ years ago...considering music changes everyday...with every song thats released and with every new artist that comes out...you don't know shit.
--- Quote ---Also I never said Babe was the greatest, but you tell mee another player who has mutiple 40+ homerun seasons and ERAs under 2.0 with 30 games pitched, not even the great Satchel Paige can say that, (but you probably don't know who that is).
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1) yes i do know who satchel paige is...i used to be a HUGE baseball fan...now im just bored of it.
2)so just a question here...you said show u another player with 40+ homerun seasons with ERA's under 2.0 with 30 games pitched? well...considering only half of the MLB even is possible to meet those requirements you are again fucked because pitchers do not bat in the american league. only in the national. thought you'd take that into consideration ::)
--- Quote ---Sorry to get off topic but putting down Bruce is one thing, but putting down baseball, that's playing with fire. But to reply to your statement of Monopoly vs a PC, that is difference. Music is universal and will always be the same at heart, it only appears to be different on the outside. Both Jay Z and the Beatles have songs that reflect their outlook, both use musical accompaniment to establish a mood, both use lyrical wit to enhance and encrypt their message. Music is music, just because it sounds different doesn't mean it is. Jay Z and Nas sound different but it's okay to argue who's better with them. Just because the beatles sing and Jay Z talks doesn't mean its all that different.
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how is monopoly vs. pc different? if you're using a pc for gaming and a monopoly board for gaming then according to your logic that should be the same thing. and i also never put down baseball....so don't put words in my mouth. jay & nas are in the same time period, and do the same type of music, (and even have similar styles) so you're point is out the window. the beatles & jayz are 2 different time periods, & 2 different types of music.
--- Quote ---I remember seeind an old McDonalds commercial where an old man is walking with his grandson eating the new fries they were pushing at the time, and there is this guy rapping on a street corner. The kid asks his grandfather "whats he doing?" and the grand father says he's rapping, the kid asks why, and the grandfather replys "Because he can't sing". I assure if Jay felt he could sing he wouldn't be rapping.
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dude...i would be willing to bet jay-z would much rather rap...you act like rapping is the last resort or something...
--- Quote ---and if I want to say the Beatles were better at doing that than Jay Z is I can, and I feel it is not unreasonable to do so.
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no its not unreasonable at all...but it is unreasonable to make wack ass threads and then write essays about how everybody should agree with you because bruce springsteen & michael jackson & r. kelly all do the same thing so we can compare them even though they are totally different.
Shallow:
All of Baseball's changes didn't happen 80 years ago, I was just comparing Ruth's time to Bond's time. Also the fact that Ruth could excel in both pitching and batting is a testament to his ability, it's not that half the pitchers in the league don't bat, it's that none of the pitchers can bat. If Babe Ruth was playing today and wanted to be a pitcher in the AL, chances are they would also have him play DH. If any one else could do it, you'd see it be done.
Also you seemed to ignore my statement saying that all music post-50s has the same essence.
This is an open forum where fans are free to discuss. if yu don't like my "wack ass" threads, then don't read them. I am not trying to persuade people towards Springsteen, or even pull them away from R.Kelly. The problem with Kelly was I felt he was getting over praised on this forum, and decided to add my 2 cents. I think he's good, I also think Paul Pierce is good, but when someone tells me he's better than Larry Bird, I argue. If you don't like Springsteen, fine, if you've never really listened to him then don't compare him. And for the record, in the early to mid 80s Jackson and Bruce had very similar music.
Don Breezio:
the fact that you think r. kelly is over praised on this forum is what i can't figure out...i'm the only one on here in like the last 2 months to make any threads pertaining to r. kelly...in fact most of the time when a thread is made about him and its not made by me its either dissing him or talking about him banging a 12 year old.
and i also never compared r. kelly & springsteen...you did...i never said r. kelly was better than springsteen i said its 2 different types of music and they shouldn't be compared.
post 50's has the same essence? are you fuckin insane? sure the temptations and jagged edge have the same essence...but they are the same type of music. you need to learn that everything isn't just black and white...its not this vs. this...let people have their own opinion and don't come in my threads telling me how the artist i like is a crappy artist. if you're gonna do shit like that make your own thread.
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