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BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN vs MICHAEL JACKSON
Shallow:
--- Quote from: I Just Wasn't Made For These Times on April 23, 2004, 09:15:28 PM ---
--- Quote ---off the wall was very good for a disco album, but thats it. thriller was very commercial and beautifully marketed, but good album at best. bad was the exact same album with worse songs, and dangerous sucked, the second half was okay the the garbage in the beginning ruins it.
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I'll bet 95% of the board would disagree with your assesment of all 4 albums.
Off the Wall - Great
Thriller - Nearly Perfect
Bad - Nearly Perfect
Dangerous - even closer to perfect
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If so then I'll bet 95% of the board are idiots that don't know what a good "album" is. Let me guess MJ's dangerous is better thab Pink Floyd's "The Wall" right?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Luke on April 23, 2004, 08:47:07 PM ---hey shallow...i have a couple questions for you:
1) when are you gonna quit riding springsteens dick...wrong board for that buddy
2) when are you gonna stop making yourself look like an idiot by doing comparison's that you should be ashamed of even thinking of? r. kelly vs. springsteen? you idiot its two different types of music! springsteen vs. mj? MJ IS THE MAN (even if he does touch little boys)
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1) Never.
2) Like Billy Joel said in a song "it's still rock n roll to me" what this line means is since the 50s revolution the sounds have changed but the essence has remained the same. R Kelly and Bruce aren't as different as you think Bruce may be more rock and folk based, but many of songs could qualify as gritty RnB, the Pointer Sisters had a smash hit with "Fire".
As far as MJ goes I'll talk about it like this; Let's take pro wrestling, in the eighties there was Hulk Hogan, and there was Ric Flair. Anyone under the age of 13 hated flair and idolized Hogan. The children often wondered why all there older brothers and their freinds loved flair so much. Flair was hands down the best at what he did, Hogan was just more popular. Now Hogan is an icon but if you were to sit him down and ask who was better he would say Flair, and Flair would have to agree.
Now the 80s also had MJ and Springsteen and the same rules apply (except change the number 13 to 17).
I would almost guarantee ( i can never say for sure) that if Jackson were asked in an interview who was better he or Springsteen, he would say Bruce, and Bruce would definately agree. I remember when 87 hit and both artists had their follow ups to their previous albums ( Thriller 26 platinum, Born in the USA 15 platinum). MJ tried the exact same formula and failed, Bad only went like 6 platinum, and it probably cost almost as much to make the album, also the album was completely torn to pieces by all critics over the age of 9. Now Springsteen released Tunnel of Love, an album he claimed would not and could sell like Born in the USA did, and nor would he try to make it sell like that. But, Springsteen had something to say, just like all the times, and released an album that explored the turmoil of newly wed life, now the album may have only went 3 platinum, but since it cost next to dirt to create Bruce made more money of it than MJ did off Bad (discounting the tour). Michael Jackson struck gold with the fans only once in his career and milked it for 10 years.
Billy Jean was good but Beat It made the album sell, look at the week bt week sales and you'll see this also. And AC/DC had just had a Smash with you shook me all night long, which made Back in Black just behind Thriller right now in world wide sales, and I'll bet it will pass it. Also Michael borrowed from my man Freddy Mercury and queen when it came to vocal presentation, at times there voices were near identical, which makes me wonder why Queen was damn near black balled during the 80s in America, maybe alittle backstage politics to keep MJ on top, worse things have happened in the music industry. Now I don't mean to down play Jackson by assuming he stloe his style, every one is influenced by people, I am merely trying to explain the reason he sold so much once and never again. The type of music he was releasing was extra hot in the early eighties and MJ could not realize it would not stay that way. Which is also why Nirvana sent his ass packing in 91-92, and Bruce still makes the top ten music acts every year he drops something.
Don Breezio:
i stopped reading after number 2...it gets really annoying to read your arguements when all of them are essays
The Ghost When I Zone Off:
Listen, Shallow; I know youre mad that Michael Jackson is better than Bruce Springsteen, but that doesent mean we don't know what a "good album" is. Who the fuck are you to really judge what good music is anyways? Music is just sounds tweaked to a person's liking. The hip hop community doesent need you to get all emotional and shit cuz your old folk rock got shut down and Michael won, so just take a Midol or whatever you need to do and accept that maybe your music judgement isn't superior to everybody elses. Boo fuckin hoo. :'(
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Gas and a Match on April 24, 2004, 01:51:45 PM ---Listen, Shallow; I know youre mad that Michael Jackson is better than Bruce Springsteen, but that doesent mean we don't know what a "good album" is. Who the fuck are you to really judge what good music is anyways? Music is just sounds tweaked to a person's liking. The hip hop community doesent need you to get all emotional and shit cuz your old folk rock got shut down and Michael won, so just take a Midol or whatever you need to do and accept that maybe your music judgement isn't superior to everybody elses. Boo fuckin hoo. :'(
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I apologize if my tone comes across as nagging. I agree with 100% that music is completely subjective. Michael Jackson won? On what basis. Bruce makes and has more money than Michael Jackson. Why should I be mad, Bruce was the 1 money making act in America last year thanks to his comeback album The Rising. Jacksons comeback didn't even land him in the top 50 acouple years ago. Also this has nothing to do with genre Michael Jackson is RnB with rock elements, so is Stevie Wonder, and I would never say Stevie is worse than Bruce, he's not better, but he's not worse.
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