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Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
Don Seer:
--- Quote from: RODZILLA is BAY AREA Hip Hop on June 08, 2004, 02:34:44 PM ---But it's still R.I.P.....because I have sympathy for the ones that loved him. I done lost too many people not to.
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props for that.. heart and compassion is what puts real people apart from the selfish and the weak bigots who let hate blind their view.. eh infinite?
Real American:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on June 08, 2004, 07:58:30 AM ---
What about a catholic commenting.
Jay-Z commented once on being a product of Reagonomics. Lets face it, under Reagon, the United States trend of closing the gap between rich and poor started closing. Before Reagon, since World War II, the United States was in a stage were poor was starting to gain money, and become middle class. The whole rich always get richer argument, was being crushed by the United States, which is one reason we were a great nations, we were breaking norms. Anyways, Reagon, his plan was to give the rich tax cuts, because if the rich have more money, they'd spend it on their companies. Well this did not hold true, but both middle and higher classes got tax cuts, so both classes thrived, BUT, the once surging working class took a huge hit, and this started the trend, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer. Now of course you did have our crack heads, but you also had people like my dad, who worked his whole life, is a Vietnam Vet, and he had his vet benefits taken away by Ronald Reagon, for the sake of higher class tax cuts, Reagon took away Veterans rights, and no one argueed because Reagon was popular, and people didn't like Vietnam vets anyways. So my dad had no more Veterans benefits, which is really starting to cost him now that his older, and he had lost his job because he got divorced, and he had to raise my sister and me by himself. Welfare was not that much, so he took welfare, and still worked jobs along the way, and never had enough money. Reagon wanted his trickled down economy to work, after all, most economicalist believed the plan would work. If you remember when Bill Clinton took over, he redid the tax bracket so that rich once again get higher tax rates than working class. under Reagon, the rich got taxed like 10% well middle 20%, and working class 30%, or close to those numbers. I had exact numbers, but I am too lazy to go find them. Anyways, for his work, Reagon spend his last 10 years not remembering his name, not knowing where the bathroom was, and not remembering he was president. All I can say was, it couldn't have happen to a better man.
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What about another Catholic commenting....
M Dogg you are full of shit as usual. I don't know much about gaps between rich and poor, but I do know that the US economy was in the dumps during the 1970's. The unemployment rate and inflation were skyrocketing, and oil prices were sky high. When Ronald Reagan came into office he changed all of that. The US economy rebounded in the 1980's. And a huge part of that was President Reagan's tax cuts.
Here is a newsflash for you: all the money that the government gets through taxes is actually your and my money. And the less money the government takes from us the better. And that is what President Reagan did, he let us keep more of our own money with TAX CUTS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL PEOPLE. All that stuff you said about poor people paying tax rates of 30% and rich people paying tax cuts of 10% is just a lie. The US has an accelerated tax rate and rich people have always paid taxes at higher rates the more they earn. Everyone got tax cuts during the 1980's, including the wealthy and corporations. Businesses and corporations thrive when they have low tax rates, and that is how jobs are created. If you had your way, companies like Microsoft, Sun Miscrosystems, Cisco, etc that got started in the 1980's probably would never have existed because they would have been bankrupt before ever getting off the ground.
M Dogg why don't you just accept the fact that the US is a purely capitalist country and we are never going to change. If you don't like it, go live in one of those socialist countries like France or Sweden where they pay three times what we do in taxes and have unemployment rates twice as high as us. There is a reason why the US has the best economy in the world and it is our economic system.
white Boy:
--- Quote from: Overseer on June 08, 2004, 02:51:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: RODZILLA is BAY AREA Hip Hop on June 08, 2004, 02:34:44 PM ---But it's still R.I.P.....because I have sympathy for the ones that loved him. I done lost too many people not to.
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props for that.. heart and compassion is what puts real people apart from the selfish and the weak bigots who let hate blind their view.. eh infinite?
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wow u really hate this guy
King Tech Quadafi:
Hey Im glad he gave us weapons, that doesnt mean he doesnt have muslim blood on his hands. You fuckin kids, i dont know why i respond to yall, for entertainment really. Home boy smiled for the cameras and did the right PR shyt and half of yall think hes your grandfather. You know nothing of the consequence of his policies. And I didnt even say anything and fuckin goofs like Smerlus says shit like im dissing him to make up for my shortcomings. That doesnt make sense, how does this statement apply to me. Do you just say random things to sound smart?
Trauma-san:
--- Quote from: Lincoln The Mental Traveller on June 07, 2004, 12:43:16 PM ---Ibrahim I respect you but disagree with you here.
Firstly, Reagan got America out of the Cold War, and very quickly.
He improved America's moral like none other could.
And in my opinion, welfare should be taken away. Those out of work should rely on family, charity and religious groups while they find a job.
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You're 100% right. Thank you for seeing through the smoke thrown up by the uneducated, who try to teach everybody that republicans hate poor people. That's not true.. .just as you said, we believe that charity is essential, and necessary in society to help out those less fortunate amongst us... but it's the responsibility of the church. Forced charity by taxing the citizens and giving the money to those that don't work is not a wise way to run a government.
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