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Let's tell the truth about Ronald Reagan
Shallow:
I wonder since Infinite is now libertarian what his thoughts on welfare and social programs are now?
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 19, 2008, 07:17:53 PM ---I wonder since Infinite is now libertarian what his thoughts on welfare and social programs are now?
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As a Libertarian I would cut all social programs and turn everything over to the free market.
Although I was correct in saying that a huge chunk of our taxes actually goes towards the military industrial complex and only a small chunk goes towards wellfare. So to blame high taxes on wellfare like Reagan did, misses the point.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Infinite 5'9" on September 20, 2008, 12:55:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 19, 2008, 07:17:53 PM ---I wonder since Infinite is now libertarian what his thoughts on welfare and social programs are now?
--- End quote ---
As a Libertarian I would cut all social programs and turn everything over to the free market.
Although I was correct in saying that a huge chunk of our taxes actually goes towards the military industrial complex and only a small chunk goes towards wellfare. So to blame high taxes on wellfare like Reagan did, misses the point.
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I don't disagree that Reagan was as good a friend to the Free Market as Bush was. Regan himself admitted in his memoirs that he never accomplished what he wanted to accomplish as president and couldn't keep his initial campaign promises. I don't think anyone could ever walk into that office and make any real changes unless the establishment wanted them made.
I was just wondering how your opinions on certain things changed over the years. I'm a libertarian just like you, and if I were to find some of my political ideas from '04 I'd probably be ashamed of myself. I once even had a commie phase.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 20, 2008, 09:23:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: Infinite 5'9" on September 20, 2008, 12:55:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 19, 2008, 07:17:53 PM ---I wonder since Infinite is now libertarian what his thoughts on welfare and social programs are now?
--- End quote ---
As a Libertarian I would cut all social programs and turn everything over to the free market.
Although I was correct in saying that a huge chunk of our taxes actually goes towards the military industrial complex and only a small chunk goes towards wellfare. So to blame high taxes on wellfare like Reagan did, misses the point.
--- End quote ---
I don't disagree that Reagan was as good a friend to the Free Market as Bush was. Regan himself admitted in his memoirs that he never accomplished what he wanted to accomplish as president and couldn't keep his initial campaign promises. I don't think anyone could ever walk into that office and make any real changes unless the establishment wanted them made.
I was just wondering how your opinions on certain things changed over the years. I'm a libertarian just like you, and if I were to find some of my political ideas from '04 I'd probably be ashamed of myself. I once even had a commie phase.
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Ya... supposedly Reagan was sounding really Libertarian when he was campaigning for office. But then once in office he presided over a government increase that was much longer then his Democratic counterparts, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.
Reagan's War on Drugs is a BIG government program which has had disastrous consequences. it has lead to far greater violence on the streets, prisons and jails being flooded with non-violent drug offenders, and hugely expensive have been all the "Say No to Drugs" D.A.R.E. programs which have not lead to any decrease in drug use.
Also he was an advocate of the hugely costly Star Wars space war program, and others of the military industrial complex such as their involvement in propping up South and Central American dictators one day and then disposing of them the next day in a sea of war and violence.
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...as for you mentioning our past, yeah I think we were both sociolists in our past, but how could we not be? All we learn and are taught in government schools growing up is about the great successes of government over the course of history and they never mention that nearly everything we love from music, to computers, to technology, and on and on.... were all provided to us by the free market, against the greater efforts of the government to turn it all into a giant beuracracy and delay progress.
Real American:
Damn, I dropped some knowledge on page 2.
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