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Can we stop the jordan an kobe comparisons for now
E. J. Rizo:
i dont get people who compare kobe and jordan...for example people talk about how kobe got 3 rings so early it took jordan for ever to get his or whatever......well of course your going to do that when you have shaq and a good team at your side.....jordan didnt have that.....but then the whole kobe scores less and does less than jordan cause jordan had a kinda weak team and he did everything....wtf is that all about stick to one thing....its like shaq is on the team so he cant score......kobe has 3 rings way earlier than jordan he is better.....well its cause he had shaq too....i dont know if you see what im trying to say...but its stupid....its like back and forth at first its good to have shaq and then its bad to have shaq......jordan was great regardless and no one has even come close to what he has done for the league and how he has influenced and changed the league.....kobe has a long trip before i can even mention them in the same league....
pappy:
--- Quote from: /\ Javier /\ on June 14, 2004, 10:32:47 AM ---The Bulls without Jordan were not the Clippers...so please dont say if Kobe joins the clippers we will see how they really match up.
The only fucken possible way u can see the difference if Kobe goes back in time and live in Jordans shoes when Phil Jackson comes in and brings the triangle offense and gives him the talk of distributing the ball to his teammates.
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the bulls b4 pippen and the first year into his career were a lot worse than the current clippers.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: rampant on June 14, 2004, 10:11:06 AM ---ok you guys are forgetting how good kobe really is. of course without shaq he couldnt get to the finals. because even michael jordan needed a good team to get to the championship. You honestly think that if it was jordan, and 4 horrible players they would have won all the championships? hell no.
kobe AND shaq play a part in the championship games.
god i swear he plays 2 bad games and suddenly hes a mediocre player.
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What I am trying to say here is Kobe can be replaced. If you put him on another big team between '99 and 2001 his team would still lose to the Lakers, aslong as they had someone half descent to replace him.
With Jordan this isn't the case. To say he could go on any team in the mid '90s and win the championship is absurd, but what is for sure is if he left the Bulls, the Bulls would not win. Now if Jordan had joined the Pistons, Spurs, Knicks, Suns, Magic, Jazz or even the Lakers, any one of those teams would have been champs. If Kobe left and joined the top contenders, the only team you could make a case for is Sacramento or San Antonio.
The bottom line is; one is a legend the other is just a really good ball player.
Jordan can be argued as being the best ever. Russel, Wilt, Larry, Magic, Isaiah, hell even Duncan are all way more important for a team than Kobe will ever be. You can quote me on that one.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
^^You are one fuckin' idiot for saying Kobe is more comparable to Pippen...Shawn Marion is comparable to Pippen, not Kobe, you fuckin moron. ::)
You will all see in the near future- quote me on that
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 14, 2004, 03:07:57 PM ---^^You are one fuckin' idiot for saying Kobe is more comparable to Pippen...Shawn Marion is comparable to Pippen, not Kobe, you fuckin moron. ::)
You will all see in the near future- quote me on that
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I just wanna say this has nothing to do with what happened last night, I always thought Kobe was great but never legendary. He will never carry a team to the championship as the marquee guy, and time will prove this.
And don't put down Pippen, he was a very important aspect to the Bulls (much like Kobe was with LA), he just wasn't the key to their victories. You can call me a "fuckin moron" all you want but if you seriously think that Shaq was not the main reason LA won those three championships then you need help.
If Kobe's the reason LA won those championships, then Dwight Clark's the reason the 49ers beat the Cowboys in '81, and that Joe Montana guy is just the one that threw the ball to him. Or better yet Robert Parrish is the only reason Larry Bird ever won anything.
How long have even been watching sports?
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