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Can we stop the jordan an kobe comparisons for now
Shallow:
Kobe is one of the best players in the game right now, but I'm gonna let you guys in on a little secret; THE GAME SUCKS RIGHT NOW.
All you got is a bunch of street ballers who think the high light reel is more important than the score board. If Kobe was playing in the 80s, and wasn't on Philly, Boston, or LA, he never would have even come close to taking a team to the finals. Shaq very well could have, and probably won, at least once.
Shaq and Kobe is 50/50, if Kobe leaves, will they win as much? No, but they can still go far in the play offs. If Shaq leaves I'd wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even make thwe play offs. I remember the beginning of the Season (I think last year), Shaq was out for the first few weeks. Kobe had a near a triple double every game, and shined like a star, but the team went 3 for 12.
Like Red Auerbach strongly believed, personal stats don't mean shit if you're not winning the game. Kobe can impress all he wants, but he's gotta win. When he finally is alone and he loses pitifully, I'll be back to celebrate my prophecy.
Look at the game now, they let zone defense in because the guys suck at defense so much now they figured they'd cut them a break. Can you imagine Zone defense with Bird's Celtics? They would have won 3 more championships. There is a reason the ratings get lower every year, it's because smart Basket Ball took a back seat to showmanship and egos. The quality just isn't as high as it used to be. Maybe in individual skills it's higher, but teams win, not players.
.:DayGoStyLz:.:
lol@ how this thread has turned from a Jordan/Kobe comparison...to a Kobe/Pippen comparison. I guess its safe to say that Kobe is not on the same level as Mike. lol.
Oh, and as for the whole Pippen/Kobe argument...its kind of bogus. Pippen was obviously on another level then Marion. To me, he was almost more of a T-Mac kind of player. And yes, Jordan did make those around him better. But they were two VERY different teams (lakers and bulls). When u have a dominant center (shaq), it sets up the rest of the floor. Big men, set up outside players. Its been that way since basketball was invented. Obviously there are times where u have a Magic, or a Stockton where things flip flop. Neither the Lakers or the Bulls have a Magic or a Stockton...in the times we're talkin about. Pippen played on a team with a dominant 2 guard. Even though Jordan could set up other players, if u play basketball...u know its not exactly the same. Players swarm to Shaq...two, sometimes three at a time. Making things VERY simple for perimeter players. A simple pass out of the double team to a cutting player and a lay-up/dunk. A simple pass out of the double team, and a second pass to an outside shooter for an open three. Good bigmen, set the offense up. Look how great the Rockets looked during their championship runs. Just having Hakeem in the middle, made their outside shooters look like allstars...when half of u couldnt name any of them if u didnt look it up on ESPN lol. Jordan was a score first, pass second kind of player. At the 2 guard. Which means he controlled the ball a majority of the game. A lot of times more then the point. Its not as easy to double team a perimeter player as it is a big man. U cant always send 2, or three people out to the three point line to guard somebody lol. So he was getting a lot of strait up matchups...which meant, he was takin it to the rim...and scoring. So Pippen was basically a clean up man. When Jordan left, Pippen did play good. I mean, look at the team he had. Not exactly a team full of All Stars...and he lead them to a successfull season (even if it wasnt a championship). If u took Shaq off the Lakers right now...i dont think LA would have even made it to the second round. And thats with Payton and Malone on the team with him.
Im not sayin Pippen is better then Kobe at all. Im just sayin, u cant compare them regardless.
Better scorer=Kobe
Better defender=Pippen
Better rebounds=Pippen
Better clutch player=Kobe
Better floor leader=Toss up (remember Pippen played with MJ)
Better team player=Pippen, obviously
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 15, 2004, 07:10:45 AM ---Kobe is one of the best players in the game right now, but I'm gonna let you guys in on a little secret; THE GAME SUCKS RIGHT NOW.
All you got is a bunch of street ballers who think the high light reel is more important than the score board. If Kobe was playing in the 80s, and wasn't on Philly, Boston, or LA, he never would have even come close to taking a team to the finals. Shaq very well could have, and probably won, at least once.
Shaq and Kobe is 50/50, if Kobe leaves, will they win as much? No, but they can still go far in the play offs. If Shaq leaves I'd wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even make thwe play offs. I remember the beginning of the Season (I think last year), Shaq was out for the first few weeks. Kobe had a near a triple double every game, and shined like a star, but the team went 3 for 12.
Like Red Auerbach strongly believed, personal stats don't mean shit if you're not winning the game. Kobe can impress all he wants, but he's gotta win. When he finally is alone and he loses pitifully, I'll be back to celebrate my prophecy.
Look at the game now, they let zone defense in because the guys suck at defense so much now they figured they'd cut them a break. Can you imagine Zone defense with Bird's Celtics? They would have won 3 more championships. There is a reason the ratings get lower every year, it's because smart Basket Ball took a back seat to showmanship and egos. The quality just isn't as high as it used to be. Maybe in individual skills it's higher, but teams win, not players.
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First of all, playoffs and basketball are both one word...Second off, the Final's ratings have doubled from last season...Third of all, that crap you said about the Lakers going 3 for 12 with Kobe getting tripple doubles is a load of bullshit...Lakers have never lost when Kobe had a tripple double... ::)
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: .:DayGoStyLz:. on June 15, 2004, 12:04:07 PM ---lol@ how this thread has turned from a Jordan/Kobe comparison...to a Kobe/Pippen comparison. I guess its safe to say that Kobe is not on the same level as Mike. lol.
Oh, and as for the whole Pippen/Kobe argument...its kind of bogus. Pippen was obviously on another level then Marion. To me, he was almost more of a T-Mac kind of player. And yes, Jordan did make those around him better. But they were two VERY different teams (lakers and bulls). When u have a dominant center (shaq), it sets up the rest of the floor. Big men, set up outside players. Its been that way since basketball was invented. Obviously there are times where u have a Magic, or a Stockton where things flip flop. Neither the Lakers or the Bulls have a Magic or a Stockton...in the times we're talkin about. Pippen played on a team with a dominant 2 guard. Even though Jordan could set up other players, if u play basketball...u know its not exactly the same. Players swarm to Shaq...two, sometimes three at a time. Making things VERY simple for perimeter players. A simple pass out of the double team to a cutting player and a lay-up/dunk. A simple pass out of the double team, and a second pass to an outside shooter for an open three. Good bigmen, set the offense up. Look how great the Rockets looked during their championship runs. Just having Hakeem in the middle, made their outside shooters look like allstars...when half of u couldnt name any of them if u didnt look it up on ESPN lol. Jordan was a score first, pass second kind of player. At the 2 guard. Which means he controlled the ball a majority of the game. A lot of times more then the point. Its not as easy to double team a perimeter player as it is a big man. U cant always send 2, or three people out to the three point line to guard somebody lol. So he was getting a lot of strait up matchups...which meant, he was takin it to the rim...and scoring. So Pippen was basically a clean up man. When Jordan left, Pippen did play good. I mean, look at the team he had. Not exactly a team full of All Stars...and he lead them to a successfull season (even if it wasnt a championship). If u took Shaq off the Lakers right now...i dont think LA would have even made it to the second round. And thats with Payton and Malone on the team with him.
Im not sayin Pippen is better then Kobe at all. Im just sayin, u cant compare them regardless.
Better scorer=Kobe
Better defender=Pippen
Better rebounds=Pippen
Better clutch player=Kobe
Better floor leader=Toss up (remember Pippen played with MJ)
Better team player=Pippen, obviously
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Pippen a better defender than Kobe? I don't think so...And of course he's gunna get more rebounds, he's a forward...Kobe is easily the better all around/complete player...It's safe to say that Kobe is closer to Jordan than he is to Pippen...PeACe
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
Anyone read the paper today? They were basically writing on how the pre '91 Jordan would be the most criticized person during the Eastern Conference Finals, because he would never pass the ball, but when he would make a good shot, he would be glorified as the best, and the writer in the end put "sounds familiar?"...
It's time to get off Jordans nuts, and realize there can one day be someone greater, and by the end of Kobe's career, he most likely will be the chosen one...PeACe
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