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Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
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--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on June 25, 2004, 07:41:46 AM ---ok explain me this why wouldn't israel except the cease fire agreement? why did they take out all references to UN boarders in their declaration of independence? like i said before the media is very slaunted in support of israel even in britain I just feel for the palestinian people i hope they get a fair deal, they have already lost so much why should they lose more? and i agree both sides do need to co exist arfrat has recently shown alot more willingness to co oporate regretting not excepting clintons deal, putting pressure on militant groups, recognising israel should stay jewish etc. yet israel shows little willingness to cooporate and still does everything on their own terms even going against america who are extremely lienent towards israel. is we could sort out the whole conflict the whole middle east would be alot more stable.
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one sided cease fire- it's all it would soon become, why the hell camp david didn't work?!- doesn't that interest u?.....it's a metter of manipulation, Arafat brings instabillity, and than suddenly turns into this peace seeking creature(in the eyes of the world), Im surprised at how people don't notice the decieve, he'd like to continue suicide bombings without dealing with the consequenses, we lost hope in Arafat, we don't trust him, Israel doesn't have a terrtorial interest, we don't need any land, all we're looking for is security, any action of the Israeli deffence force is made to protect Israeli citizents....
Don Rizzle:
you can't possibly think that back then taking out references to UN defined boarders had anything to do with security, but more to do with ambitions to enlarge the jewish state. understandably palestine were upset about losing half their country but maybe something could have been worked out at the time i remeber the king of jordan offering to step in, or even some other peace keeping force might have been worked out through the UN but after the british left but israel wasn't intersted.
you talk about past failings, why not try and work towards peace NOW its never too late and just remember who have been the net losers! it was earlier today you were talking about co-existence or did u just mean jewish control? if israel has no terrirtorial interest why does it continue to illegally build settlements on palestinian land? the fact of the matter is they wouldn't need securing if they wern't there.
I TO DA GEEZY:
lol....The original boarders the UN defined back than are those same boarders the Palestinians supposebly want Israel to withdraw to, in their perfect senario today(if we asume they do except the exisitance of the state of Israel at all)....no offence, but I doubt that u know what u're talking about, I quote: "understandably palestine were upset about losing half their country"
u should know that there has never existed such country, in fact, a creation of a Palestinian state is something they might strive to nowadays, but back than it was a Land where a number of tribes and peoples exsited on, besides Jews , some were mobile, did u know how the Palestinian declaration defines a Palestinian ? goes like this--" a person who lived on the land of Palestine since year so and so...", What Im saying is basiclly this, you're worshiping a fiction, as many alikes of u do,the Palestinian agenda was created only to overweight the Jewish people who somehow intimidated their contemporary's, such nation as Palestinians never even existed be4, they created themselves for this occasion, the history created much sympathy towards opressed people, even the Jews themselves may've been a part of this legacy, people sub-consiously tend to look for live examples of this easy to relate to fenomenon, what u guys don't understand is that the Palestinians are a slightly diffrened case, they could've learned to co-exist easilly, problem was they had power thirsty figures that would rather live in richess while their so called people are dieing, starving or comeeting suicide.....co-existance is very important, the people who run Israel know it, right wingers as much as left wingers, but on the way to co-existance certain barriers need to be taken down, not only physical but also psychological, Israel does not build settlements, in fact it even battles settlers who are trying to start new settlements, Israel recognises the fact new settlements are not healthy, and u need to realise that Israel has no territorial interest, anyone who sayes Israel has a territorial interest doesn't know what the conflict is about....
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Don Rizzle:
i know palestine still isn't officially a country but that still doesn't give any other country the right to take land they have owned for hundreds of years away from them. and yes b4 israel was born jews muslims and christians all lived at peace in palestine, go figure that one out.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on June 25, 2004, 12:49:32 PM ---i know palestine still isn't officially a country but that still doesn't give any other country the right to take land they have owned for hundreds of years away from them. and yes b4 israel was born jews muslims and christians all lived at peace in palestine, go figure that one out.
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again, it's very important to understand that the actual percentage of Palestinian land owners was relatively low, many of the people who were defined as Palestinians later were for their most part mobile up untill a certain period of time, dwellers, just like Beduins, that small amount of Land owners even if they have ever been robbed of land were never robbed by Jews(Although during the yeshuv some of them sold their lands to Jewish investors through mutual agreements), The original boarders mapping took into consideration such isues, so to tell u the truth no territorial isue should've existed back than, unless there was something more than territory.
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