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Bulldozers begin Ariel barrier in another land grab by Israel
Maradona:
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--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on July 09, 2004, 05:38:42 PM ---israeli propergander. please don't post in these threads if u can't think for youself, all you do is follow the republican line which is very generous to israelis and not a good mediator of peace in the current administration.
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Listen up you little tool. You yourself said that you are new to this topic of study. How are you gonna dismiss this as "propaganda" when It can be backed up by facts?
You're biased, ignorant of history, and pitifully mistaken in your views. You don't have a moral leg to stand on, so you dismiss information that goes against your views as propaganda. YOU need to think for yourself and get your head out of your ass.
I Geezy LIVES in Israel and deals with this shit everyday. How are you gonna come in, with your new information you got off of biased websites, and tell him what his country needs to do?!
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So if I posted something similar from a pro-Palestinian source, you wouldn't dismiss it as propaganda?
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on July 09, 2004, 05:48:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on July 08, 2004, 11:57:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on July 08, 2004, 05:27:37 PM ---1) jews were not entitled to the land
2) israel regected the partition and the cease fire agreement anyway because it was too small, and showed little interest in peace intiatives
3) israel got arabs off the land by any means
4) the arab nations generally attacked the expanded part of israel not included in the partition
5) look at israel on a map palestine is cut in 2, and israel is much bigger than the two halves put together.
6) year on year israels terrirtory has expanded
7) arabs and in particular palestinians have incured far more deaths and injuries since israel was started
8 ) israel pays little attention to international watchdogs and organisations like the UN or even international law
9) israel has one of the largest nuclear stock piles of weapons in the world and has not signed up to the non proliferication treaty so is not subject to sanctions and opporates on a "no show no tell policy" while they expect the rest of the middle east to be put under international pressure to not produce nuclear weapons (eg iran)
10) in whats left of palestine the israeli army enjoys shooting small children, buldozing farms and houses to the ground, firering missles and tank shells into the refugee camps especially when large crowds are present, have military check points everywhere.
11) in 1947 the area allocated to the jews by the UN had a jewish population of 520,000. there are now over 4 million palestinian refugees at the present day.
who do u think got a raw deal?
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1.never entitled to the Land?- So YOU'RE the authority on this metter?....
2.At What time exactly?-There was no fire untill Israel was atacked :-\....The closest time any side rejected a peace treaty, was the Last Camp david atempt when Arafat was granted 97% of the demand and declined.
3.Is this a joke?! Israel's original territory when the arab nations atacked was minimal, The only reason it was atacked was cause Egypt and Syria had long term egagement plans, to which a possible Jewish state in the middle was an obstacle....
4.yea, That's why all this time we've had Arabs that have been considered Israeli Citizents and had a great amount of support among them towards millitant groups in the authority, and to think these guys even have representation in our Parlament(the Kneset)....
5.And?- We were even bigger when we had the Sinai peninsula, and south lebanon-and we gave it up(for peace), how many territories of the same size of the Palestinian territories could feat in there?
6. oh really?!!....read this again^^^
7.As far as Palestinians go> possible, never counted, not sure u have, don't forget their natural reproduction figures are also much higher, and so is the amount of hostillity, add that up, I think it makes sence. ::)
8.Really, you could say the same as for the Palestinian Authority and the rest of the Arab Nations, throughout these 56 years. Since the primary decision was to grant Israel with a state and they have nagated it's existance throughout this time, Plus, I wasn't aware that supporting terrorism is one of the UN's newest resolutions. And how come u care for UN's resolutions suddenly, you disagree with the UN's decision just as much, I quote u:"1) jews were not entitled to the land"
9. So does the USA...And Israel expects nothing, we can only hope, it's a question of hostillity.
10. ENJOY'S?!!...yea, sure, that's our main mission to kill as many incocents as possible, we're the ones who proclaimed Jihad, And preached for KILLING and SLAUTERING as many people as possible cause it should prolly get us to heaven, so we coculd chill with 70 sumthin virgins....
11.And they could have a state already, if that was what their leadership really wanted....
A RAW DEAL?!...If they did get a raw deal it's only cause their own leadership was dealing....
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you mean u were defeated in south lebanon it became to bloody for u.
and with reference to u not being entitled to the land in 1948 it wasn't in the juristiction of the UN to devide up countries.`
you would have thaught a newly formed country would have obide by what the internation community tells it then through the body which governs everyone and should be forced to comply. but instead isreal is usualy shielded by america and america needs to learn to be an honest and unbiased friend to both sides for equality peace to last in the region.
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Trust me, the situation with Suicide Bombers is hundred times more bloody for us, we're still here though, we were getting singnals regarding some sort of a peace treaty that was conditioned with giving up south Lebanon....In retrospective ultimatley I don't think it was the best decision, just brought Hizbala closer to Israel...But that's just Ehud Barak- He was so determined to give up territory....even that didn't grant us with an agreement, Im really surprised you can't smell that something was rotten.
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on July 09, 2004, 06:37:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on July 09, 2004, 05:38:42 PM ---israeli propergander. please don't post in these threads if u can't think for youself, all you do is follow the republican line which is very generous to israelis and not a good mediator of peace in the current administration.
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Listen up you little tool. You yourself said that you are new to this topic of study. How are you gonna dismiss this as "propaganda" when It can be backed up by facts?
You're biased, ignorant of history, and pitifully mistaken in your views. You don't have a moral leg to stand on, so you dismiss information that goes against your views as propaganda. YOU need to think for yourself and get your head out of your ass.
I Geezy LIVES in Israel and deals with this shit everyday. How are you gonna come in, with your new information you got off of biased websites, and tell him what his country needs to do?!
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it was blatent properganda
i have read extensively in the area, from both pro palestinian and pro israeli sources and have made up my own mind on the situation and argue with i geezy in the areas i know about. but one thing is u don't think an israeli is gonna by biased to support thier own country? they may know more about the situation but it is a very one sided view which will be put across which doesn't necessarily mean its right. i'm english doesn't mean i'm right on everything concerning england. however having said that considering it was during the time of the british mandate on palestine we were very supportive of the state of israel i do feel kind of responsible for what we helped create and considering western powers let israel do pretty much what ever it wants to do i am gonna speak up for what i think is one of the biggest barriers to peace in the middle east.
finally most of the stuff i post comes from the bbc which is about one of the most independent sites on the net regarding this situation in my opinion.
I TO DA GEEZY:
Independent or not, Neither BBC nor CNN are objective, The feud in the middle east gains them constant rating, you can't deny they also have a great interest in the continuation of the instabillity in the Middle East.
Don Rizzle:
cnn rarely post stuff about what israel is doing as if it puts israel in a bad light americans don't need to hear about.
but yes i aslo agree there is too much focus on the middle east why doesn't any else care that china has been occupying tibet for about 50 years. tibet had virtually no army and have led a peaceful protest to the occupation which lead to their monks and nuns being imprisned for many years. the problems in sudan why arn't their internation peace keepers there. what about all the other evil dictatorships in the world. what about aids spreading through eastern europe and asia so qickly and amoung our young genereation. but at the same time i also don't want to turn my back on what is going on with israel and palestine, iraq and afganistan becease we have troops there.
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