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THE HYPROCRISY OF MUSLIMS
Don Rizzle:
^agreed^
Smoke:
--- Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on June 21, 2004, 06:48:48 AM ---Antonio, if your going to try to attempt to understand the dynamics of the Muslim world you must first learn a few things about Islam.
Killing in the name of Allah is not a "diss" to Islam, as you say. I don't know where you got that idea. In Islam, Muslims have the right to self-defense. Allah states in chapter 41:42(42:41) of the Noble Qu'ran, "Those who fight when oppressed incur no giult, but those who oppress will surely feel the wrath of Allah."
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Man when i say "it's a diss to Islam" i mean that to kill some1 in the name of Allah makes muslims looks like uncivilized animals in the eyes of western countries. Exactly like crusaders looked like killers and animals when they declared war to protect the Church's power. It's a diss to Islam means that if you do something as brutal as beheading a civil, or shooting an innocent 23 years old cook just cause he's italian, it will look like muslims are all brutals, with no heart, and they follow a religion who's based on blood and murders. It's a diss to Islam means that like that muslims will loose the respect they have from christians and moderated peoples in general. And about the quote you mentioned, does it mean you can use a civil to menace other countries (they menaced Italy to make a big manifestation against the war in Rome if we wanted them to save the lifes of 4 italian hostages. They shooted 1 in the head execution style cause we didnt). Does it mean you can behead an unstrapped guy or kill a cook who was in Saudi Arabia to get some money for his upcoming marriage and then show the murders in TV to get something in return? Does it mean, like i said, that you cant reply to the evil done by other people by using the same brutality against them? Cause if you can, then stop calling Islam a religion to obtain peace. If you can, Islam is the perfect religion for animals in a jungle.
--- Quote ---Antonio, you act outraged at a few beheadings of American's who are in Iraq either with the military or working to get at Iraq's oil and energy resources, but you are not outraged at the United States mass murdering 15,000 Iraqi's over the last year!!!!!!
How is this possible? I really don't understand. Do you think an Iraqi life is any less than an American life. You act as if you think one American life is equal to 5,000 dead Iraqi's. And don't forget, the American's are the one's who invaded, sabatoged, and devastated Iraq; they are now currently occupying Iraq and usurping Iraq's resources. So why are you outraged when there is one beheading yet you say nothing about 15,000 Iraqi's murdered? This makes no sense.
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This is exactly the answer i didnt want to read. Who told you I aint? I'm just talking about a whole different thing. If Americans did those things, they did it for money, basically. Or to protect themselves somehow. I dont care about this aspect right now (i'm not saying it's right to kill for money, dont get me wrong). I'm talking about MUSLIMS! About ISLAM. About the RELIGION. About ALLAH. About KILLING SOME1 IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. About this particular aspect. I'm not discussing about who's right and who's wrong in Iraq. I'm not saying an American life is more important than another life of a non-American kid (i aint even American). Only time could reply to your questions. And it will judge both Americans and Iraqi. What i wanna discuss now is the ipocricy of some muslims who accepts and celebrates the deaths of some innocent men. And yes, i care about Iraqi. Italians care about Iraqi. We've lost lifes without killing a single Iraqi. We got Italian Red Cross, Emercency, Civil Protection, Carabinieri, Police, doctors, volounteers.. We are there helping Iraqi and getting killed without shooting a single bullet. So dont use those arguments with me.
--- Quote ---Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
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I never said it and i didnt want to talk about Israel and Palestine. I wanted to talk about a single aspect: the fact that i've seen on TV some Palestinians showing parts of the bodies of Israeli soldiers thanking Allah, praising Allah, menacing Israeli with the "power" of Allah.
I'm not talking about the whole conflict. I dont care about this aspect right now.
--- Quote ---It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
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Naw man. I've never seen some1 killing another man in the name of a God in the last 6 centuries. That's the point. How's your God? I just wanna know.
Smoke:
--- Quote from: Antonio on June 21, 2004, 08:52:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on June 21, 2004, 08:23:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: Antonio on June 20, 2004, 09:13:01 AM --- Explain me if you can use the evil done by other people as an excuse to the one you do.
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It's called retaliation. If someone raped my daughter, I'd kill him. It's that simple. In my eyes, I wouldnt be less of a good person after doing it.
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I know it's called retaliation. I just didnt know Islam was such a religion who encouraged retaliating and hating other people. Now i know. Thanx.
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P.S. Obviously now this one is just a provocation. That's the point of the whole topic. You just helped me. Since it's not like that, and i'm sure about it cause i know a lot of muslims, what i said is: "dont get manipulated!". YOU CANT. You cant if you christian, you cant if you muslim. 'Lincoln The Mental Traveller' understood this thing when i posted it. That's what i mean. I'm not saying it's good to declare war to Iraq or Palestina. I'm not saying Americans are right. I'm not saying christians are better. I'm just asking y'all to think about your own religion a lil bit. If you do, like 'Lincoln The Mental Traveller' did, you'll understand the point. Peace
Im sorry Antonio I accidently edited your post instead of quote it ... :/ I hope I fixed it right.
7even
7even:
--- Quote from: Antonio on June 21, 2004, 08:52:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on June 21, 2004, 08:23:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: Antonio on June 20, 2004, 09:13:01 AM --- Explain me if you can use the evil done by other people as an excuse to the one you do.
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It's called retaliation. If someone raped my daughter, I'd kill him. It's that simple. In my eyes, I wouldnt be less of a good person after doing it.
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I know it's called retaliation. I just didnt know Islam was such a religion who encouraged retaliating and hating other people. Now i know. Thanx.
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LoL first dont take me as a repper of Islam. Im an atheist born christian. btw you missed a few Bible quotes if violence in religion is new to you.
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--- Quote ---P.S. Obviously now this one is just a provocation. That's the point of the whole topic. You just helped me. Since it's not like that, and i'm sure about it cause i know a lot of muslims, what i said is: "dont get manipulated!". YOU CANT. You cant if you christian, you cant if you muslim. 'Lincoln The Mental Traveller' understood this thing when i posted it. That's what i mean. I'm not saying it's good to declare war to Iraq or Palestina. I'm not saying Americans are right. I'm not saying christians are better. I'm just asking y'all to think about your own religion a lil bit. If you do, like 'Lincoln The Mental Traveller' did, you'll understand the point. Peace.
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1. how did I help you? if so, youre welcome.
2. religion in general is for the weak-minded.
smerlus:
--- Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on June 21, 2004, 06:48:48 AM ---
Then you wanted to talk about Isreal and Palestine, Palestinians had dominated Isreal since the 9th century. Some 50 or so years ago, the United States drove 1 million (the number is now near 3 million) Palestinians from the land they've been on for 13,000 years and gave it to the Jews. The Jews have been killing Palestinians ever since and expanding their territory in a systematic genocide. Yet you are outraged at a few "suicide" bombers. This makes no sense. How can you think in this way?
It would be like if a few Native American Indians went and burnt down a pilgrim village and you were outraged, yet neglected to notice that Native American's have been virtually wiped off of their nation without apology.
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this is a weak excuse...throughout history, people have conquered what land they could conquer and did what they wanted with it...and just because the United States is the most recent one to do this...they are evil? according to the bible, that land belonged to the Jews for thousands of years before it was the palestinians
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