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Linda Ronstadt booed off stage
Sikotic™:
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--- Quote from: Rain on July 20, 2004, 08:29:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic The Dude on July 20, 2004, 02:57:42 PM ---That's weird since Vages is such a melting pot of people.
Oh well, she should keep politics out of an entertainment event anyways.
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why should she?
the most disgusting part was the hotel escorted off the premises and have refused to ever let her back because of those remarks? isnt there suppose to be a freedom of speech? why is this artist getting punished for speaking her mind?
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Free speech not only entitles you to say what you like, but for those who disagree with you to speak out as well.
You do not have a "right" to have concerts, you don't have a "right" to sell albums, and your employer may indeed fire you, If you think that's wrong, go to work Monday and tell your boss to kiss your ass and see if your "free speech rights" result in a backlash.
These morons seem to believe the public backlashes against their stupid views are being orchestrated by the Bush administration, as though that's the only way it could happen.
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Eventhough I'm not a fan of Bush, I couldn't agree more with Woodrow
Jome:
They edited out Jada's "Why did Bush knock down them towers?" line, that's not freedom of speech.
Being escorted off stage because you encourage someone to go see a movie, how will you categorize that.. ?
--- Quote ---Before singing "Desperado" for an encore Saturday night, the 58-year-old rocker called Moore a "great American patriot" and "someone who is spreading the truth." She also encouraged everybody to see the documentary about President Bush (news - web sites).
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This is too funny..
If Eminem told people on stage to go see 8 Mile, how would that be dramaticly different.. ?
Unless she made personal attacks against Bush, I can't see what fuckup she has done.. ???
Trauma-san:
I think the whole episode is hilarious. Also, the whole 'freedom of speech' thing is rediculous. She *HAS freedom of speech. The government didn't do a fucking thing to her. "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW". Read the shit before you just go around throwing the words around like you wrote it yourself.
I dunno about you, but the last time I looked, I didn't see the Hotel Manager @ the Aladdin's name anywhere on the Bill of Rights. I DONT BELIEVE he signed it. So I don't see how he's held to it?
If I'm your boss... and you say something I don't like... I may or may not fire your ass. If I wanna be a prick about it, I may not let you back in your room before you go.
Scenario.
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Say you're a construction worker, and you work for me. I drove you to Virginia, we're up there digging a ditch for somebody. As you're standing in the ditch, you say "You know; that guy that doesn't like your brother, Ronnie... I agree with him. He's spreading the truth, everybody should listen to what he has to say".
What am I going to do? Allow you your freedom of speech? Hell no. I'm probably gonna fire you, and if I'm feeling like an ass, I'm not even gonna give you a ride back home. Why? .. because I can. I have the freedom to do that if I want.
I don't understand how that's such a hard concept to grasp.
With all that said, I think the manager over-reacted a little bit, I probably wouldn't have fired her, and I would have let her back in her room, regardless. There's probably more here than we've heard, folks... for instance, she said before hand she was trying to get them annoyed at her, so they wouldn't hire her back, or whatever... there must have been words before hand, and the manager already was pissed at her, I'd bet money on it.
Jome:
^^ Is it THAT EASY to get fired in the States.. ?? :laugh:
Who said anything about the government, nobody blamed Bush yet.. ? lol
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: Jome on July 20, 2004, 09:32:27 PM ---They edited out Jada's "Why did Bush knock down them towers?" line, that's not freedom of speech.
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How? It's not edited out on BET. I haven't heard it on the radio, but so what if they do edit it out? It's a company trying to minimize potential trouble. This isn't a freedom of speech subject. By the way, Jada is a fucking moron for that line. I'll accept Bush knocking down the Towers... in exchange for him taking the blame for every school shooting thanks to his music. Thats the same kind of logic he's using.
--- Quote from: Jome on July 20, 2004, 09:32:27 PM ---Being escorted off stage because you encourage someone to go see a movie, how will you categorize that.. ?
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I wouldn't call it censorship. It doesn't even fit into the same category. Did the government step in and tell her not to say something or else she would face consequences? Nope. She chose to politicize her concert, and the owners of the venue chose not to accept it.
--- Quote from: Jome on July 20, 2004, 09:32:27 PM ---
--- Quote ---Before singing "Desperado" for an encore Saturday night, the 58-year-old rocker called Moore a "great American patriot" and "someone who is spreading the truth." She also encouraged everybody to see the documentary about President Bush (news - web sites).
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This is too funny..
If Eminem told people on stage to go see 8 Mile, how would that be dramaticly different.. ?
Unless she made personal attacks against Bush, I can't see what fuckup she has done.. ???
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Jome, You really can't be comparing the two can you? 8 mile is a movie about a rapper. Entertainment. the moore movie is a highly political flick that obviously a lot of people don't agree with.
"Ms Ronstadt was hired to entertain the guests of the Aladdin, not to espouse her political views. In an effort to defuse the situation, Linda Ronstadt was asked to leave the property immediately following her performance,"
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040720/ts_alt_afp/us_politics_music_people_040720193348
This is a non issue.
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