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Muslim women dress
Smoke:
To Hajj Ibrahim Islam (it's nice to chat with you, since you dont diss, and you makes good discussions. So..)
--- Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on July 29, 2004, 05:59:44 AM ---Then, the longer I was Muslim the more reverence I had for women for wearing the hijab, and the more I understood the important role it played in perserving Islam's value's of righteousness and piety within the Muslim community.
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Please explain.
--- Quote ---Exactly. The big lie being passed around is that Muslim women are oppressed and being forced to wear the hijab. If that is true, then how do you explain 5 million Muslim women inside America who willfully wear their traditional Islamic dress?
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Simple cause they cant be oppressed, there. I mean there if you walk in the streets, dressed with a jeans and a t-shirt, nobody will even notice you. So it's easier to dress "like Americans". Still, i've heard some stories about women beaten to death cause they refused to wear the hijab. It happened in my little city, here in Italy. And i'm sure it happens in America, too. It's America/Italy who makes it easier for them to dress a jeans, not Islam or its freedom. Do you agree?
--- Quote ---Not to mention, hardly any of the Muslim countries force their women to wear hijab. Infact, the only one I can think of now is Saudi Arabia, and that's only in a few of the cities of Saudi Arabia.
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You betta ask Afghani women. They werent even allowed to go to school or to learn ABC. Is mine just a speculation? (i'm not from there, i dont know).
To Machiavelli
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on July 30, 2004, 01:06:23 AM ---ok and whats your point..I just showed Quotes from the Quran that showed that Islams religion promotes violence.
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Not really. I mean you can do the same with the Bible. Have you ever read it? We got killings, racism, violence, women seen just like a part of a male body created to serve him, God who wants ppl to kill their first son, etc.. That's not the message. You have to check the message. And both Christians and Muslims dont promote violence.
To 7even the Harbinger
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on July 30, 2004, 03:10:34 AM ---How come you admit that and at the same time you argue that the US went to Iraq because of the evil dictatorship of Saddam Hussein? Pretty retarded isnt it.
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They give oil to Russia, Germany and France. This explains EVERYTHING. The war, and the "peace".
7even:
--- Quote from: Antonio on July 31, 2004, 12:14:54 PM ---To 7even the Harbinger
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on July 30, 2004, 03:10:34 AM ---How come you admit that and at the same time you argue that the US went to Iraq because of the evil dictatorship of Saddam Hussein? Pretty retarded isnt it.
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They give oil to Russia, Germany and France. This explains EVERYTHING. The war, and the "peace".
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that doesnt make me feel uncomfortable at all. Im not the kind of dude who's that close-minded, ignorant, selfish and patriotic who's in favor of everyfuckinthing his country does or what's better for his country/himself or whatever. You can be damn sure I would be as strong against the war if Germany wouldve joined as Im now. Hell, I would be even stronger against this disgrace to common sense and humanity if Germany started this war. It's not that I hate the US politics because it's the US, and it's not like I hate the war because Germany is against it. So your comment doesnt touch me the slightest little bit, honestly. Right now, Im just glad Germany was so strong to hold against the US. Very glad. It's good not to be slaves to them, and good to still have real allies like France and Russia. Good to know not the whole world is insane, you know.
Thirteen:
nah it's not good to have friends like france and russia :P
Smoke:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on July 31, 2004, 12:55:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Antonio on July 31, 2004, 12:14:54 PM ---To 7even the Harbinger
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on July 30, 2004, 03:10:34 AM ---How come you admit that and at the same time you argue that the US went to Iraq because of the evil dictatorship of Saddam Hussein? Pretty retarded isnt it.
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They give oil to Russia, Germany and France. This explains EVERYTHING. The war, and the "peace".
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that doesnt make me feel uncomfortable at all. Im not the kind of dude who's that close-minded, ignorant, selfish and patriotic who's in favor of everyfuckinthing his country does or what's better for his country/himself or whatever. You can be damn sure I would be as strong against the war if Germany wouldve joined as Im now. Hell, I would be even stronger against this disgrace to common sense and humanity if Germany started this war. It's not that I hate the US politics because it's the US, and it's not like I hate the war because Germany is against it. So your comment doesnt touch me the slightest little bit, honestly. Right now, Im just glad Germany was so strong to hold against the US. Very glad. It's good not to be slaves to them, and good to still have real allies like France and Russia. Good to know not the whole world is insane, you know.
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My comment wasnt directed to you, and it wasnt directed to common people at all. Germany, France and Russia (and that's a fact, not an opinion) are 3 biggest creditors of Iraq in the whole world. They (ab)used the Oil For Food program (give Saddam food -which he never shared with common people- to get oil for free), and they used Iraq's oil (like you said, USA uses oil from Saudi Arabia). So USA did a war to eliminate Saddam and to control that area (even the oil, for sure! You dont spend 800m $ and more to save Iraqi from Saddam), and France, Germany and Russia didnt want the war to happen cause they didnt want to loose their privileges with the Oil For Food program. It's all political, man. Not philosophical. Once we say this shit str8, then yes! In USA, in Germany, in France, in Russia and here in Italy there are common peoples who are against all the kinds of war. I'm one of them, if you ask me. You are one of them, like you said. But no, France and Russia arent friend/allies of you in no way. They just had some business in common.
BuddenzNasir:
once again i watch Maradona kill Mach, Mach btw u saying u dont care is a damn shame, basicly it proves everything u say is jus stupid as fuck and its no wonder ur always getting put out on the forum. cuz u said "Saudi Arabiasupports us i dont care wut they r doing with there women etc.."....well ok Bush Jr. u should get real far in life now.
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