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Kinda funny shit about Lakers....
Don Jacob:
i can throw them up first webber and shaq were about the same size back 93. and barkley too because dude was a mound of muscle and held his own very well against all the big men of his time. dude even fought shaq . then on top of that ......you put barkly and webber back in the 60's and 70's and they'd mass murder the league just like wilt did.
also what i'm saying, of corse wilt was going to dominate at his time......who was he playing against??? you put shaq in the same era and it's almost like an old school tyson fight 1st rnd KO. You put wilt in shaq's time and wilt wouldn't be doing half of what he did
Also i don't see duncan making shaq's life difficult offensively
M Dogg™:
I was just saying that the trangle with Michael Jordan was not the true trangle that was designed. The trangle that was ran with Jordan was adjusted to fit the Bulls team because the Bills never had a great passing center, or actually a center in general outside of Stacey King in the early days. With Shaq, the trangle was ran exactly how a trangle was suppose to be ran, with Shaq playing the passing center, who happen to be the most physically dominating player in the history in the NBA, who is also a great passer. Who's the best big man, honestly who care, I like Kareem, but I'm a Showtime person myself. But Shaq was the perfect center for the trangle. Now if Jordan and Shaq where on the same team, Shaq would be the center, but the greatest player ever would get the points. Phil and Tex would run plays that go to Jordan because no player is as good as Jordan. Shaq and Jordan would go perfect together, as if young Kobe looked that great playing next to Shaq, imagion Jordan. The Bulls offense was basically Pippen playing point guard, Jordan playing center, with everyone looking for open shots, and later Rodman just doing Rodman things. It was not a pure trangle. The Lakers had Shaq at center, basically Kobe playing point guard but slashing like a shooting guard, and the rest, including the power forward Robert Horry... lol... looking for open shots. Now the Lakers have changed their team, and they are build like the old Chicago Bulls, but if you look at the early Chicago Bulls teams, they were built to play Michael Jordan isolation plays, until Phil took over. Phil just changed the Bulls, and his system to fit the situation. Because everyone eventually burried their egos, everyone was better for it. Now with the Lakers, they have Rudy who is a great coach, and coaches to the situation. Phil, this time, was not willing to change his system, because he actually had a situation where his system could be ran correctly. He would not coach without Shaq as the focus of the offense, and Shaq would not play without Phil as coach. They both are right for it, but nothing can last forever, and last two years Kobe has badly outplayed Shaq, so the Lakers had to rebuild. How will it end up, this year I don't think we are teh best team, but I can't see us not going to the finals because the ratings for Lakers/Heat will be record breaking if both teams make the finals. Honestly Detroit and Minnesota have the best teams, but L.A./Miami would just make too much money for David Stern to pass up.
.:DayGoStyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Jake La Motta on August 02, 2004, 03:18:12 AM ---i can throw them up first webber and shaq were about the same size back 93. and barkley too because dude was a mound of muscle and held his own very well against all the big men of his time. dude even fought shaq . then on top of that ......you put barkly and webber back in the 60's and 70's and they'd mass murder the league just like wilt did.
also what i'm saying, of corse wilt was going to dominate at his time......who was he playing against??? you put shaq in the same era and it's almost like an old school tyson fight 1st rnd KO. You put wilt in shaq's time and wilt wouldn't be doing half of what he did
Also i don't see duncan making shaq's life difficult offensively
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Are u serious? LA didnt stick Shaq on Duncan too much this year at all cus he was getting into foul trouble tryin to stick him. Plus, the year before Duncan was murdering Shaq in the playoffs. His footwork was far too good, and he was too quik for Shaq to stop. Plus, he doesnt hesitate on shots....he gets them off fast as hell usually, making them hard to defend....similar to how Danny Manning used to be back in the day. On the other side, the same goes for Shaq. SA had different people sticking him, just like LA used different people on Duncan. But Shaq DEFINETELY didnt get the best of Duncan in those matchups, especially in any one on one situations.
Im not trying to argue whether Shaq is dominant, its just HOW dominant. Some of u guys ( *cough* Mdogg *cough*) have really clinged to this "dominant" word. Probably cus u heard some sports reporters use it. Remember, sports reporters want to be part of something just like everyone else. Everyone wants to feel like they are covering the greatest thing ever...that, in someway makes them feel important IMO. A reporters popularity is based on the leagues popularity. The leagues popularity is based on its players popularity. Get it? If they create interest...they create work for themselves. So of course theyll build up Shaq as big as possible with the "dominant" word. But u cant say Shaq has dominated HIS TIME nearly as much as Wilt did HIS TIME. He scored 100 points in a game...now THAT is dominant. Yeah, he wasnt dominating players of today...just like Shaq wont be dominating players of 2040. But for his time, he takes it...easily. Shaq isnt even the best big man in the game right NOW, just the biggest.
.:DayGoStyLz:.:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 02, 2004, 03:43:25 PM ---I don't think we are teh best team, but I can't see us not going to the finals because the ratings for Lakers/Heat will be record breaking if both teams make the finals. Honestly Detroit and Minnesota have the best teams, but L.A./Miami would just make too much money for David Stern to pass up.
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in other words, u think things will be fixed this year? For LA to make the finals, things will have to be REALLY fixed. And i seriously doubt Miami in the East either. They will be the most improved team in the league probably...but Detroit is definetely still the favorite.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: .:DayGoStyLz:. on August 02, 2004, 06:26:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 02, 2004, 03:43:25 PM ---I don't think we are teh best team, but I can't see us not going to the finals because the ratings for Lakers/Heat will be record breaking if both teams make the finals. Honestly Detroit and Minnesota have the best teams, but L.A./Miami would just make too much money for David Stern to pass up.
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in other words, u think things will be fixed this year? For LA to make the finals, things will have to be REALLY fixed. And i seriously doubt Miami in the East either. They will be the most improved team in the league probably...but Detroit is definetely still the favorite.
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yep yep... ;D My dad once worked for an autobody shop that was ran by the mob, and the guy told my dad, if it has anything to do with man, it can be fixed.
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