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Why would anyone really think God exists? ... or even believe in Religion?
Z the laidback Virus:
The pro-religion arguments here are getting increasingly stupid and ignorant.
How come the monkeys and Apes of this era have not evelved into humans?
Now that's an easy one. It's a simple biological and also economical principle that two organisms or businesses can't do the same thing at the same time at the same place due to competition. Either one will go extinct (or bancrupt) or one will only be able to have a marginal existence.
Because the human niche (that is, an ecological space and no we are not 'above' that) is allready occupied by us and because that is the case no ape or whatever other creature would evolve into a humanoid form because they would start out at a disadvantage in being still evolving towards that state while we are allready at our state of development. What happens is, is that no such creature would be able to compete while we are still there and thus, it would go extinct. Also, organisms only evolve to fill a different niche when this niche is open.
My example of flyers might not have been the most convincing but check out burrowing mammals. We have these fossorial (highly specialised in subterraneous borrowing) mammal groups.
The marsupial mole, a marsupial.
http://namamisozui.hp.infoseek.co.jp/y2/y2-kami/17.jpg
Golden moles, afrotheres ( along with aardvarks,tenrecs,seacows,dassies and elephants)
http://bali.co.kr/zoo/image5/%B5%CE%B4%F5%C1%E305goldenMole.jpg
Typical moles, insectivores (like hedgehogs and shrews and for those who it says anything,solenodons)
http://www.hdra.org.uk/assets/mole.jpg
mole rats and blind mice, rodents.
http://www.nbi.ac.za/haroldporter/haroldporterimages/capemolerat2.jpg
http://www.terrambiente.org/fauna/Mammiferi/rodentia/images/spalax.jpg
Anyone will notice these animals are VERY much alike,yet they are completely unrelated. Even the blind mice and mole rats are not closely related within rodents.
The reason they are so different is because each one of them has fully devoted itself to the same sort of lifestyle wich made their much different ancestors develop the same specialisations independent from each other. Each of them aquired burrowing claws, a cilindric body and lost their external ears and degenerated their eyes,in many cases becoming blind and having their eyes covered in skin. The reason they could evolve into occupying the same niche is that they were all isolated from each other in time and place. Since humans are eveywhere, there is no place any creature could evolve into occupying the same niche as we do.
Took a lot of space and letters to explain but the principle is easy.
Z the laidback Virus:
--- Quote from: Overseer on August 08, 2004, 04:30:46 AM ---you know the problem with this is that you all look stupid, and you'll never agree.
once you understand that everyone thinks they're right you'll be fine.
you HAVE to respect the fact that someone either believes or doesn't you won't change their mind!
here is why i 'dont believe'
as a child i was forced to go to sunday school.. (church of england btw.. ) even at a young age i would ask the awkward questions.. but i was also very very aware of the weird techniques they were using on us.
one i remember is being given a lil cup with salt water in and being told it was christs tears.. the other kids blindly did what they were told, and accepted it as being what she said it was.. whereas i saw her put the salt in the water and hand it out.
now as a 4 year old kid.. what you think that did to my opinion of the faith?
smoke and mirrors..
for example. if you know anything about the truth and history of the bible you'd understand that its STORIES. they even have proof that earlier versions of the stories exist, and even worse that they were poached from other religions.
later on christianity's tactic was to absorb pagan traditions to make the transfer easy for people..
it was a bending of the faith to suit its masters needs.
islam and chistianity were both INVENTIONS... both have been created in our history.. we even know when and who.
how can something man-made be the truth?
what about the religions that failed? do you know offshoots of christianity were oppressed as heresy by the catholics? you should look up the cathars
evolution is FACT, its been proved thanks to micro evolution.
to the person that said about why wouldn't his decendants evolve..the answer is they would.
BUT
that would only happen if you put them on different continents for 100,000s of years without contact and cross-breeding...
depending upon the environment they're placed in the more suited ones would survive, or become more masterful in that environment.
answer me this why in every corner ofthe world where man kind has existed did they all invent and follow DIFFERENT religions.. ?
why did they practice things that others through were vile?
because they were things made up by mankind to try and do one of hte following 2 things..
1) to control people
2) to try and control and explain the world around themselves.
an example of 2 is like how in some religions sacrifices "to the gods" were made when crops were bad.
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Big props to the Overseer
7even:
--- Quote from: Overseer on August 08, 2004, 04:30:46 AM ---you know the problem with this is that you all look stupid, and you'll never agree.
once you understand that everyone thinks they're right you'll be fine.
you HAVE to respect the fact that someone either believes or doesn't you won't change their mind!
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I dont intend to make everyone believe like I do, I just like to debate about issues like this one, I dont see anything wrong with that. I respect it when ppl like Infinite came to a better life through religion, but things like this just prove my thoughts about religion - and dont make the assumption of God existing / Religion being the real deal accurate in any way.
the stuff Z said about the niches is damn right. I recall learning something like this at school. not with humans, but with birds, and of course it's also the case with humans. we are not more than animals. special animals of course, cause evolution blessed/screwed (however you see it) us, but still mammals, like many other animals.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Mr. Mauzip on August 08, 2004, 03:53:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Terrance on August 08, 2004, 02:33:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on August 07, 2004, 06:40:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic James BITCH!!! on August 07, 2004, 06:19:08 PM --- The presence of God in today's world, however, is something that can still be debated.
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I dont see anything here to which I would refer the presence of god. the world is a mess. War between the religions, with each of them using god's name in vain. not to talk about the everyday things that are fucked up. In 50 years the world wont be very beautiful anyways, when all the rainforest are destroyed etc.
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it says in the bible that he gave us a choice....God's not wrecking the world....Bush is
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In your believes, didn't God create Bush??
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no bush is a cyborg remember?
I TO DA GEEZY:
People, your mistake is that you are not discusing GOD (The Creator....), you are discusing Religion.... Religion is also a subjective view, you need to go deeper, think, try picturing the begining, think how can something emerge out of nothing, how can we even talk about science and physics the way we know them today, It's a whole diffrend liege, All of the basic rules we think the universe work's upon were defied in it's own begining, or haven't even existed back then, you guys can't close yourselves to The Paradox Of The Begining....I never realised this untill a certain age, ever since I was enlightened(through a kind of guiding) I haven't been the same.
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