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Why no love for what mobb deep has done in the game
Kill:
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 13, 2004, 08:39:06 AM ---I disagree. Even Straight Outta Compton was egotistical hyperbole. Everybody knew these guys were talking shit. The ones that didn't, found out a couple years later when Cube started on his political tip, and basically admitted to talking shit in the NWA days. It's actually very apparent if you just look at the video and listen to the tone of the record. It's like when those Heavy Metal bands praise Satan and Evil, they're only doing it to get a rise out of people, have fun, and make money. Mobb Deep on the other hand constantly promote their loyalty to the streets and street life.
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Ok, partly you've got a point. I wouldn't try to deny Prodigy spittin lines like "yeah nigga, this is QB dunny and I'm gonna cut you up, filll your whole team up with slugs" andsoon today is kinda lame. Still, in their earlier years Mobb Deep spit rhymes that weren't necessarily exaggerated and drew a picture of the streets that i never heard anybody say wasn't authentic. NWA always exaggerated and shit, but still they were seriously tryin to look hard
--- Quote ---Even so, I simply don't like the music, and I don't put them on my list. This doesn't mean I'll commit my life to making sure everybody hates them. Prodigy doesn't even rhyme sometimes. Now I don't mind if an artists sacrifices style for content every now and then, but Prodigy doesn't say shit worth listening to. That is how I feel about the matter. If you feel different then that is fine.
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Prodigy fell of big-time. He just don't seem to put work into his rhymes no more. But he don't lack talent. Around '96 Pee was a great MC; "Drop A Gem On Em" is a diss track Pac couldn't have got back at lyrically, "Apostle's Warning" has Pee spittin sum wild shit and on many songs he displayed a talent for formulating the same shit a lot of rappers said quite elegantly, which is partly the reason why so many people have sampled his vocals
--- Quote ---As for impact, who cares if his voice was sampled? The movie Scarface and Good Fellas get sampled and refered to all the time. I by no means believe that if these movies never came out that rap would be different. The rappers would just find something else that relates to their mindset, just like they would find some one else's voice to sample.
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That's not a good point. That's like "Who cares Parliament was sampled over and over again? If they hadn't existed Dre and all the others would've just found another funk band to bite". Yeah, but shit would be different. Legendary songs like "Let Me Ride" wouldn't exist or be completly different. Same for shit based on Mobb Deep material. "Worst Comes To Worst" is all based on that Havoc sample, who knows if Dilated Peoples would have ever made such a song if it wasn't for "Survival Of The Fittest". And as for these movies it's the same. Because they do not only 'relate to rappers' mindsets', but also they had and are having an influence on how all these rappers make their shit sound, and therefore on hiphop as an artform/music style in general. Of course without them rappers would have found another movie. But then, logically shit would be different
"The Infamous" even layed the blueprint for other (very dope) releases like "The War Report" and mid-90's QB rap sounded much more like that than like Marley Marl and MC Shan and hence i disagree with anybody claimin it wasn't influential
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Kill on August 14, 2004, 10:06:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 13, 2004, 08:39:06 AM ---I disagree. Even Straight Outta Compton was egotistical hyperbole. Everybody knew these guys were talking shit. The ones that didn't, found out a couple years later when Cube started on his political tip, and basically admitted to talking shit in the NWA days. It's actually very apparent if you just look at the video and listen to the tone of the record. It's like when those Heavy Metal bands praise Satan and Evil, they're only doing it to get a rise out of people, have fun, and make money. Mobb Deep on the other hand constantly promote their loyalty to the streets and street life.
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Ok, partly you've got a point. I wouldn't try to deny Prodigy spittin lines like "yeah nigga, this is QB dunny and I'm gonna cut you up, filll your whole team up with slugs" andsoon today is kinda lame. Still, in their earlier years Mobb Deep spit rhymes that weren't necessarily exaggerated and drew a picture of the streets that i never heard anybody say wasn't authentic. NWA always exaggerated and shit, but still they were seriously tryin to look hard
--- Quote ---Even so, I simply don't like the music, and I don't put them on my list. This doesn't mean I'll commit my life to making sure everybody hates them. Prodigy doesn't even rhyme sometimes. Now I don't mind if an artists sacrifices style for content every now and then, but Prodigy doesn't say shit worth listening to. That is how I feel about the matter. If you feel different then that is fine.
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Prodigy fell of big-time. He just don't seem to put work into his rhymes no more. But he don't lack talent. Around '96 Pee was a great MC; "Drop A Gem On Em" is a diss track Pac couldn't have got back at lyrically, "Apostle's Warning" has Pee spittin sum wild shit and on many songs he displayed a talent for formulating the same shit a lot of rappers said quite elegantly, which is partly the reason why so many people have sampled his vocals
--- Quote ---As for impact, who cares if his voice was sampled? The movie Scarface and Good Fellas get sampled and refered to all the time. I by no means believe that if these movies never came out that rap would be different. The rappers would just find something else that relates to their mindset, just like they would find some one else's voice to sample.
--- End quote ---
That's not a good point. That's like "Who cares Parliament was sampled over and over again? If they hadn't existed Dre and all the others would've just found another funk band to bite". Yeah, but shit would be different. Legendary songs like "Let Me Ride" wouldn't exist or be completly different. Same for shit based on Mobb Deep material. "Worst Comes To Worst" is all based on that Havoc sample, who knows if Dilated Peoples would have ever made such a song if it wasn't for "Survival Of The Fittest". And as for these movies it's the same. Because they do not only 'relate to rappers' mindsets', but also they had and are having an influence on how all these rappers make their shit sound, and therefore on hiphop as an artform/music style in general. Of course without them rappers would have found another movie. But then, logically shit would be different
"The Infamous" even layed the blueprint for other (very dope) releases like "The War Report" and mid-90's QB rap sounded much more like that than like Marley Marl and MC Shan and hence i disagree with anybody claimin it wasn't influential
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The difference between Parliament and Prodigy's voice being sampled is that one changed the landscape of Hip Hop for a few years and the other became the chorus of a few rap songs. P Funk was key element in the early 90s rap scene. Prodigy was hardly that.
As for the queens bridge stuff, Nas was there and he easily inluenced a lot record companies to go with Queensbridge stuff.
The bottom line is no parliament could have changed the entire history of rap. With or without Scarface or Mobb Deep, the rap industry would still have been gang land influenced.
Kill:
yeah I'm not gonna deny Parliament was more important. All I'm sayin is
1. Prodigy has done sum nice work even tho he fell the fuck off
2. Mobb Deep did have an influence and rap would be different without them
3. "Scarface" did have an influence and rap would be different without it
but if you disagree that's ok. I just tried to get my point across, peace
Shallow:
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Hey, no big deal. It's not that I think Mobb or Scarface the Movie had no influence at all. I just don't think they had enough of an influence to list either in a top ten significant goups or entities list. All I was trying to say was that Mobb and Scarface added to the gang style of hip hop from the mid 90s to today. A group Parliament was a key component in a massive change for rap for an entire era.
teecee:
but Tom's point is good too. I don't know any album with vocals that have been sampled and quoted more than "The Infamous", maybe "Paid In Full", nuthin else comin to mind
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um, ever heard of Big Daddy kane or slick rick? most sampled voices ever..........but really, WHO GIVES A FUCK WHO"S VOICE WAS SAMPLED?
Saying that Worst comes to worst by dilated was based on something Mobb did is ridiculous. Im pretty sure they didnt sample his voice and then be like, oh yeah, lets get a bit fro somewhere as an aftertought!!! Seriously, the major sample on that song is the beat itself, off the classic soul tune I Forgot to be your lover. Without Prodigy, the only thing different about Worst COmes to Worst would've been the chorus!!
NOw, Mobb Deep DOES get love in the rap game, they always sell quite well for a group with limited subject matter and little originality, they've had a good (or great) career, but no, they are not top 5 groups, Havoc is not top 10 producer, and Prodigy is not top 15 (maybe even 20) mcs!
Nowadays, i would even say that ALchemist does Havoc's style better than he does.........Havoc is still dope though, but anyone else notice the best beats on the new Mobb album werent even his?
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