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are non-americans allowed in the NBA?
Smoke:
--- Quote from: Tom Gotti on August 29, 2004, 04:29:25 PM ---A lot of it has to due where you grew up too. A white kid growing up in an urban area is goin try an play the ball a black kid in the park is playing. I think a lot of it has to do where you grow up 2.
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Yeah, obviously. But in Europe people start playing bball in a gym, 3 times a week, with minibasket and shit. No playground, but REGULAR basketball. In the States, most of the people start playing bball in the street, close to their home, or at the school, where there's a rim on the wall, and they can shoot or play 1 on 1, or 3 on 3. 3 on 3 KILLS basketball. When you raise up playing 3 on 3, you cant play 5 on 5 no more!! Cause playing 3 on 3 means you have to outscore your opponent, going always 1 on 1 or playing only with your body. You aint double-teamed. Opponents cant play zone defence. They cant make pick n rolls or schemes. 3 on 3 it's just who has more skills wins. That's totally a different concept. In Europe you raise up in a gym with a team. And you only play 5 on 5. It's a team! Team concept.
Then americans move to the playgrounds. Then they go to school (college-Uni) and they start to play bball in a team for the first time there.
I started playing in a real team, in a gym and everything when i was 5. FIVE. I grew up in a gym, playing schemes till i was 9 years old, using pick n roll's till i was 12, playing zone pressure since i was 14. When i was 18, i was totally mature as a player, knowing the game, all the schemes, how to defend on zone, how to make lay-ups with the left hand and not being blocked, how to use a pick n roll, how to shoot from 3pts, how to make a FT (Italy had the best percentace from FT and 3pts in the Olympic tournment), etc.
Feel me? At 18 i was a PERFECT player.
Only difference between me as a 18 years old player and a 18 years old black guy is that the black guy plays OVER the rim and i play UNDER the rim. I dunk, but i've never dunked in an official game. Why? Cause a lay-up is safer. And if i miss a dunk, my coach forces me to sit on the bench for 3 games! You know what i mean? That's the difference! People in the States starts to play in a gym, in a team and with a real coach when they 17-18. When i'm 17-18, i can teach basketball.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: white boy on August 28, 2004, 08:30:13 PM ---Player (Team) Country
Tariq Abdul-Wahad, Dallas France
Robert Archibald, Toronto Scotland
Carlos Arroyo, Utah Puerto Rico
Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix Brazil
Raja Bell, Utah U.S. Virgin Islands
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje, Cleveland Cameroon
Primoz Brezec, Indiana Slovenia
Zarko Cabarkapa, Phoenix Serbia and Montenegro
Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia Haiti
Boris Diaw, Atlanta France
DeSagana Diop, Cleveland Senegal
Vlade Divac, Sacramento Serbia and Montenegro
Predrag Drobnjak, L.A. Clippers Serbia and Montenegro
Tim Duncan, San Antonio U.S. Virgin Islands
Ndudi Ebi (1), Minnesota England
Obinna Ekezie, Atlanta Nigeria
Francisco Elson, Denver Netherlands
Rick Fox (2), L.A. Lakers Canada
Adonal Foyle, Golden State St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Dan Gadzuric, Milwaukee Netherlands
Alex Garcia, San Antonio Brazil
Pau Gasol, Memphis Spain
Emanuel Ginobili, San Antonio Argentina
Gordan Giricek, Utah Croatia
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland Lithuania
Marko Jaric, L.A. Clippers Serbia and Montenegro
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Russia
Toni Kukoc, Milwaukee Croatia
Maciej Lampe, Phoenix Poland
Raul Lopez, Utah Spain
Todd MacCulloch, Philadelphia Canada
Jamaal Magloire, New Orleans Canada
Sean Marks, San Antonio New Zealand
Stanislav Medvedenko, L.A. Lakers Ukraine
Darko Milicic, Detroit Serbia and Montenegro
Jerome Moiso, Toronto France
Dikembe Mutombo, New York Congo
Bostjan Nachbar, Houston Slovenia
Eduardo Najera, Dallas Mexico
Steve Nash, Dallas Canada
Mamadou N'diaye, Atlanta Senegal
Nenê, Denver Brazil
Rasho Nesterovic, San Antonio Slovenia
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Germany
Mehmet Okur, Detroit Turkey
Michael Olowokandi (3), Minnesota Nigeria
Zaza Pachulia, Orlando Georgia
Milt Palacio, Toronto Belize
Tony Parker (4), San Antonio France
Aleksandar Pavlovic, Utah Serbia and Montenegro
Mickael Pietrus, Golden State France
Zoran Planinic (5), New Jersey Croatia
Vitaly Potapenko, Seattle Ukraine
Vladimir Radmanovic (6), Seattle Serbia and Montenegro
Zeljko Rebraca, Atlanta Serbia and Montenegro
Daniel Santiago, Milwaukee Puerto Rico
Darius Songaila, Sacramento Lithuania
Jon Stefansson, Dallas Iceland
Vladimir Stepania, Portland Georgia
Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento Serbia and Montenegro
Cezary Trybanski, New York Poland
Jake Tsakalidis, Memphis Greece
Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Denver Georgia
Hedo Turkoglu, San Antonio Turkey
Wang Zhizhi, Miami China
Jiri Welsch, Boston Czech Republic
Yao Ming, Houston China
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Gotta update that list, man...
Don Jacob:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on August 29, 2004, 04:18:22 PM ---^exactly.
sorry to say that, but most black americans play to look good and whites (especially Europeans) look to play good. you know? it's like they go for the hard dunk when the other ones rather go for the secure lay-up, stuff like this.
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god you're racist to say that shit. you couldn't be farther from the truth
ecrazy:
--- Quote from: Antonio on August 29, 2004, 06:06:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tom Gotti on August 29, 2004, 04:29:25 PM ---A lot of it has to due where you grew up too. A white kid growing up in an urban area is goin try an play the ball a black kid in the park is playing. I think a lot of it has to do where you grow up 2.
--- End quote ---
Yeah, obviously. But in Europe people start playing bball in a gym, 3 times a week, with minibasket and shit. No playground, but REGULAR basketball. In the States, most of the people start playing bball in the street, close to their home, or at the school, where there's a rim on the wall, and they can shoot or play 1 on 1, or 3 on 3. 3 on 3 KILLS basketball. When you raise up playing 3 on 3, you cant play 5 on 5 no more!! Cause playing 3 on 3 means you have to outscore your opponent, going always 1 on 1 or playing only with your body. You aint double-teamed. Opponents cant play zone defence. They cant make pick n rolls or schemes. 3 on 3 it's just who has more skills wins. That's totally a different concept. In Europe you raise up in a gym with a team. And you only play 5 on 5. It's a team! Team concept.
Then americans move to the playgrounds. Then they go to school (college-Uni) and they start to play bball in a team for the first time there.
I started playing in a real team, in a gym and everything when i was 5. FIVE. I grew up in a gym, playing schemes till i was 9 years old, using pick n roll's till i was 12, playing zone pressure since i was 14. When i was 18, i was totally mature as a player, knowing the game, all the schemes, how to defend on zone, how to make lay-ups with the left hand and not being blocked, how to use a pick n roll, how to shoot from 3pts, how to make a FT (Italy had the best percentace from FT and 3pts in the Olympic tournment), etc.
Feel me? At 18 i was a PERFECT player.
Only difference between me as a 18 years old player and a 18 years old black guy is that the black guy plays OVER the rim and i play UNDER the rim. I dunk, but i've never dunked in an official game. Why? Cause a lay-up is safer. And if i miss a dunk, my coach forces me to sit on the bench for 3 games! You know what i mean? That's the difference! People in the States starts to play in a gym, in a team and with a real coach when they 17-18. When i'm 17-18, i can teach basketball.
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AH, WHAT??
ive been playing street ball since i was 9, i really got a late start playing basketball, i started playing for the city league in a gym and during the summer i went to the park to see if i could play with the other 9-10 year olds, and you know what? they were all 10x better than me, even to this day, i still play with the same people @ the park, and they all have better ball control and better shot than i do, i think because playin organized ball gives you a lot of restrictions and you cant really do as much like when your playin street ball, .........and to the transition from street ball to organized ball thing you said in your post....WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? 3 of the guys i played with are being asked by the Ontario Warriors to try out for them, they even waived their Registration fee (which i think is $100)....(if you dont know the ontario warriors, check out www.ontariowarriors.com , they play for the ABA) - - - - All in all i know im prob. just babblin, but the moral to my babblin is - Street Ballers are better than Ballers who just played organized ball all their life.....And it doesnt really matter with race either, not really...like trauma said, Practice Practice practice, cuz im better than most black people i play with
Smoke:
Man first of all i was talking about the EUROPEAN situation. Other than that, i said street players are better INDIVIDUALLY (so i agree with you), but if you raise in a gym as a kid, in a team, and you know how to play in a team, and everybody got his role in the team, and they play hard zone, double-teams, match-ups, pick n rolls, triangles, fundamentals, 3pts, etc.., you learn fast how to play IN A TEAM. Which is the main reason, reading US journalists, why USA didnt win (they werent a team) and other teams won (they ARE a team and play LIKE a team). It's not because other countries knows each others from years and all this bullshit. It's because they know how to play in a team from years. The can change 30 teams, but they'll still fit in it. USA players never played organized basketball in the Olympics. It was only man defence and continuos 1 on 1 in offence. Too unorganized to win something against REAL teams. Even against Italy or Puerto Rico.
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