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Sikotic™:

--- Quote from: Lincoln The Mental Traveller on September 30, 2004, 07:41:43 PM ---Just finished watching.

I'm sorry, but Kerry is a (massive cliche) flip-flopper.

"The war in Iraq is the wrong war to be fighting."

"I would have invaded Iraq, but the President went about it the wrong way."

"Saddam Hussein was a threat. We needed to disarm him."

He said each of these 2-3 times.

Bush was stumbling on his words a bit, but overall he's one of the most improved politicians I've ever seen in respect to public speaking.

--- End quote ---

You're not following up those statements with his explanations. He said based on the intellegence, Saddam was a threat and he needed to disarm. I don't see that as flip-flopping.

The main thing I saw flip flopping were the words of Bush whenever he stumbled them. He was on the defensive as well. Kerry brought up facts, Bush had to defend himself.

Kerry did good, but he still needs to do better if he wants a chance.

Lincoln:

--- Quote from: Si-ko'tic on September 30, 2004, 07:50:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lincoln The Mental Traveller on September 30, 2004, 07:41:43 PM ---Just finished watching.

I'm sorry, but Kerry is a (massive cliche) flip-flopper.

"The war in Iraq is the wrong war to be fighting."

"I would have invaded Iraq, but the President went about it the wrong way."

"Saddam Hussein was a threat. We needed to disarm him."

He said each of these 2-3 times.

Bush was stumbling on his words a bit, but overall he's one of the most improved politicians I've ever seen in respect to public speaking.

--- End quote ---

You're not following up those statements with his explanations. He said based on the intellegence, Saddam was a threat and he needed to disarm. I don't see that as flip-flopping.

The main thing I saw flip flopping were the words of Bush whenever he stumbled them. He was on the defensive as well. Kerry brought up facts, Bush had to defend himself.

Kerry did good, but he still needs to do better if he wants a chance.



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Well then Kerry needed to be more clear. Had he recieved the same information that Bush did (and he did, that's why he voted on it) how can he say both that based on the info given they should have attacked, and that it's the wrong war? If I was Bush and I recieved the information, I'm sorry but I don't see how you can not attack. I'm sorry I'm against the war, but that's because I am not the person who has to make the decision.

Lincoln:
One more thought.

It wasn't a real debate, it was mainly them just explaining their positions. I do have to give the moderator thumbs up for actually allowing 30 second debate intervals, but it still wasn't a real debate.

Lincoln:
Sorry to post 3 times in a row ;D.

The Daily Show is doing a special coverage in like 2 minutes, I suggest everyone watch it.

pappy:
one thing i really liked was in the begining of the election was when kerry mentioned we have to improve relations with muslim community around the world.  A lot questions,  bush answered with indirect answers.  Kerry really didnt say much in total but bush didnt say anything.  I wouldnt call tonight a KO for kerry.  But i still think he won this round of the debates.

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