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B.E.T. to ban ems just lose it. Michael Jackson to sue?
Kill:
^^ lol yeah, that is embedded in the culture of hiphop, because hiphop has always been always competitive since back in its earliest days, who got the loudest sound system, who got the dopest linebombings etc. and of course battles have always been important. You can like or dislike that, but that's why alot of hiphop is the artists biggin up themselves. But then it could often be covered just like love songs; if you recite one of Big L's raps and replace specific references it's actually similar to reciting a love song; you recite something that the original writer had told from his perspective, but it's universal enough to be put in anybody's mouth; instead of universal love stuff it's universal bragging stuff.
But I get your point, i wish there was some more variety to the lyrics of many hiphop artists too. That don't even mean it has to be non-personal stuff tho, i'd be glad about some more self-reflective stuff instead of MC's biggin themselves up. Fact remains that hiphop being a way of competing had a quite positive effect too, as it got youths away from doin bs on the streets and that it is therefore logical this sense of competition is still there today and something that hiphop lives off.
Kill:
--- Quote from: SGV on October 12, 2004, 05:00:13 AM ---The Source lost integrity YEARS ago. People called them out in like 98. But, fell on deaf ears, until they dissed the golden boy. This coming from someone who is KNOWN for dissing Eminem, I haven't toook The Source serious for years. Anyone who takes ANY of these mag's serious is an idiot. XXL is JUST as bad as The Source, but they're more low key about it. They diss artists ALL the time. Hell, if dedicating a majority of one of their magazines to DISSING Eminem isn't losing integrity, then I don't know what is. LOL.
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are you referring to XXL dissin Em? because from what i know when they did that, the staff was pretty much completly different...but i don't 'take those mags serious' either, it's all about competition and possible advantages, still XXL have lately NOT been puttin all their energy into dragging someone through the mud
Wellz:
i just saw Em's video on BET
KURUPTION-81:
I doubt Michael will sue i remember the same story coming out over scary movie 3.
--- Quote from: Sikx on October 12, 2004, 05:01:47 AM ---fuck michael, he's sick bastard,
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u got any evidence on this or just what u read?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: A Gwen Stefani groupie named Kill on October 12, 2004, 09:54:31 AM ---^^ lol yeah, that is embedded in the culture of hiphop, because hiphop has always been always competitive since back in its earliest days, who got the loudest sound system, who got the dopest linebombings etc. and of course battles have always been important. You can like or dislike that, but that's why alot of hiphop is the artists biggin up themselves. But then it could often be covered just like love songs; if you recite one of Big L's raps and replace specific references it's actually similar to reciting a love song; you recite something that the original writer had told from his perspective, but it's universal enough to be put in anybody's mouth; instead of universal love stuff it's universal bragging stuff.
But I get your point, i wish there was some more variety to the lyrics of many hiphop artists too. That don't even mean it has to be non-personal stuff tho, i'd be glad about some more self-reflective stuff instead of MC's biggin themselves up. Fact remains that hiphop being a way of competing had a quite positive effect too, as it got youths away from doin bs on the streets and that it is therefore logical this sense of competition is still there today and something that hiphop lives off.
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I don't mind if the songs are personal, so long as there somewhat universal and relatable. Tupac's Dear Mama is a great song, and can share the same emotion 15 years from now if it were to be covered. Even from a non rapper it could work. A singer like Billy Joel, Elton John, Baby Face, or Keb Mo could rework that song and make it work. If they were to try and cover Tupac's Bomb First, it would be ridculous, but very very funny. Songs like Big L's Platinum Plus or Holdin' It Down, and just about anything by Mobb Deep would also be stupid.
Nas is okay when it comes to versatility, but a lot of his stories are over the top and to complicated for people to relate with. It's more like he just writes second rate mob movies. He should just keep it simple.
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