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if lil wytes album isnt better than encore...
Kill:
of course. denying that wouldn't be too reasonable. all i'm saying is it ain't a fact on the level of "a day has 24 hours" or "1+1 = 2"
Leggy Hendrix:
all of smartass's posts amuse me...
W-Side:
--- Quote from: Kill on October 24, 2004, 07:08:44 AM ---of course. denying that wouldn't be too reasonable. all i'm saying is it ain't a fact on the level of "a day has 24 hours" or "1+1 = 2"
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for the reason I just explained Nas showing more skill is a fact like 1+1 = 2
he can do more --> he got more skill
you're right about that not working for the judging of a whole album, but the lyrical part is factually provable (in obvious cases like nas / master p at least, Rakim / Nas is of course different)
smartass:
--- Quote from: L2DB on October 24, 2004, 06:32:07 AM ---An album can be better than another one, whether you can prove it or not depends on how obious it is. Illmatic > Game Face = Fact. That doesn't mean nobody can prefer Game Face, all it means is that you'll find more provable quality in Illmatic than in Game Face.. the taste still justifies liking Game Face alot more cause there is no truth in taste, but in provable quality, yes there is.
Illmatic lyrics > Game Face lyrics = fact, it's easy to prove that Nas' lyrics have more of a message, require more skills, have more variety in em, ect. than Master P's
when it comes to rpoduction it's alot more difficult but you can still prove that if one album has nothing but even sounding extremely simple beats with basically the same melody or something but you'll have to find a pretty damn wack produced album to have it that obvious.
replay value is bullshit, it depends 100% on taste and can never be an aspect you can objectively judge anything on
since smartass chose to ignore the easiest way to objectively prove quality (the lyrics) and already expressed his subjective liking (any liking is subjective) for lil whyte's beats + dislike for Em's and the fact that it will clearly be the main aspect for him to judge the albums on and, last but not least even admitted to consider replay value an objective judging aspect, this is indeed a pointless thread.
nobody can possibly prove that there is replay value for him, it's like trying to prove that he likes it. replay value is as subjective as taste as that's what it totally depeds on. The one thing you could do is let the majority decide but I doubt he'll agree on that
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you know why its so easy to prove that eminems production is garbage? because all of his beats sound exactly the same. he never changes up his drums, and he always keeps the same dark sound present in every one of them. i never thought anyone would surpass swizz beats in the bad beat-making department. eminem passed with flying colors. if you know anything about layers, drums, melodies, tempo, etc, then you know that eminem is THE worst producer in hiphop, EVER. replay value is objective. i'd let the people decide, but i know they aint even going to listen to wytes album anyway. eminem could come with a half-assed album, and just because of his (amazing ::)) forced flow and multis they'd eat it up. when people defend a song like just lose it, you know theres something wrong.
oh, and, just for the record, the man behind the boards is the backbone of rap. without dj's or producers there would be nothing for mc's to spit over. so in a traditional sense, beats are more important than rhymes.(and that is something you can't prove wrong, cause kool herc was the first) 8)
W-Side:
--- Quote from: smartass on October 24, 2004, 09:40:48 AM ---you know why its so easy to prove that eminems production is garbage? because all of his beats sound exactly the same. he never changes up his drums, and he always keeps the same dark sound present in every one of them. i never thought anyone would surpass swizz beats in the bad beat-making department. eminem passed with flying colors. if you know anything about layers, drums, melodies, tempo, etc, then you know that eminem is THE worst producer in hiphop, EVER. replay value is objective. i'd let the people decide, but i know they aint even going to listen to wytes album anyway. eminem could come with a half-assed album, and just because of his (amazing ::)) forced flow and multis they'd eat it up. when people defend a song like just lose it, you know theres something wrong.
oh, and, just for the record, the man behind the boards is the backbone of rap. without dj's or producers there would be nothing for mc's to spit over. so in a traditional sense, beats are more important than rhymes.(and that is something you can't prove wrong, cause kool herc was the first) 8)
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Just cause the dj was first doesn't his part of rap music is more important. Without all it's elements HipHop wouldn't be hiphop. It's not for nothing the emcee soon took the main limelight from the dj, he's who made hiphop so big. I'm not saying he's more imortant, just mentioning that fact opposed to the fact you mentioned about the dj being first. None of em is more important than the other.
As for Em's beats, I like some of em, and he might often use the same drums but not always and melodies ? how is Moment Of Clarity even similar to Solider.. anyway, he's not the only producer on his album and Dre who's one of the very best will porduce on it too so how could you know who's production's gonna be better?
Replay value is not objective at all, I told you why not. Since you think it is, you should be able to come up with the reason why it is so please do that..
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