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Yasser Arafat has passed away... or maybe not?
acbaylove:
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--- Quote from: Lincoln The Mental Traveller on November 04, 2004, 08:58:15 AM ---^^That's what I would have said.
Mauzip, I don't think you understand the Israel/Palestine issue very well considering all your posts I've read on it.
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You support palestine, and were happy Bush won? You make no sense. I don't think you understand American politics well... based on all your posts I've read.
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I'm not happy Bush won, but I'd rather him over Kerry. They both have strong pro-Israeli views so that wouldn't tip the balance either way for me.
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I disagree. Bush said he wants 2 NATIONS, Israel and Palestina. Dont understimate this, it's fundamental. He made a LOT of pressure on Sharon trying to convince him to make peace and quit building "the wall". Bush wasnt exactly "pro Israel". In fact everybody in the Middle East thinks that now he was been re-elected, it's easier for Israel and Palestina to try to make peace. And the prime minister of Palestina said he's happy Bush was been re-elected cause now he can try to talk with Sharon. You gotta understand that it's not easy to make peace for Sharon AND for the "next" Arafat. Sharon almost was kicked in his ass out of the Parliament cause he retired his troops from Gaza. He was saved by the opposition. And the "next" Arafat, like Arafat, still has to condamn terrorists and terroristic acts. And it's hard to do it, cause terrorirsts are scaring and important for the Palestinesi population. I mean they're making it a war for Allah, so it's hard to condamn terrorism (cause it's like a religious thing now), and it's the conditio sine qua non to make peace with Israel. That's the problem. Palestina has to condamn terrorism, and Sharon has to risk his ass in the Parliament. That's why the peace aint easy. Dont get played by the media and the propaganda. Sharon wants to make peace, but he cant. Cause Israeli doesnt want to make peace with Palestinesi. And the "next" Arafat doesnt want to make peace with Israel. Cause terrorists doesnt want to.
Don Rizzle:
i disagree bush has been very leanient towards israel remember that "new realities on the ground" speach he made about israeli settlements which is something no other president has said and contradict international law which has said they are illegal from the start and he even approved new settlements in the west bank. He has also gone along the same route of vetoing anything critising israel in the UN which send the wrong message to the world, especially when america is so keen to use the UN to place sanctions on sudan etc (don't get me wrong i'm all for punishing the sudaneese goverment but the message he is giving is sudan is bad, the whole world can see israel is bad and they have created way more refugees but their our friends so thats let them be) Bush has also let israel carry out bloody opporations in palestine with minimal voice of restraint and not to mention allowing them to buldoze down thousands of homes farms and schools.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on November 05, 2004, 05:12:43 PM ---i disagree bush has been very leanient towards israel remember that "new realities on the ground" speach he made about israeli settlements which is something no other president has said and contradict international law which has said they are illegal from the start and he even approved new settlements in the west bank. He has also gone along the same route of vetoing anything critising israel in the UN which send the wrong message to the world, especially when america is so keen to use the UN to place sanctions on sudan etc (don't get me wrong i'm all for punishing the sudaneese goverment but the message he is giving is sudan is bad, the whole world can see israel is bad and they have created way more refugees but their our friends so thats let them be) Bush has also let israel carry out bloody opporations in palestine with minimal voice of restraint and not to mention allowing them to buldoze down thousands of homes farms and schools.
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He didnt only buldoze down thousands of homes farm and schools. He sent back his troops from Gaza. And he almost lost the power in the Parliament because of that. It was the opposition to "save" his ass. The thing you have to understand is that Bush is making a war against TERRORISM. Now NONE in Palestina (i mean their leaders, from Arafat to the new ones) has EVER said that terrorism is wrong and that it's wrong to "use" it against Israel (or USA). NONE has said that to use kamikazees (even children) is wrong. None got the balls to say that a war of religion is unacceptable simply because they aint fighting a war about religion. NONE has ever recognized Israel as a Nation (actually 18 from 25 nations of the Arab Confederation doesnt even picture Israel in the maps). None has ever said they'll stop terrorism so they can make peace. And, the thing i add, NONE CONTROLS TERRORISM. Not even Arafat (that's why i dont give a fuck he's dead. Actually i'm happy he died for a natural reason, when someone dies like that, you cant do nothing but to say "RIP"). That's the reason why peace is not possible at the moment. And that's the reason why Bush cant support them or defend them. Cause until they'll make distance from terrorism, they'll be terrorists. And i agree with that and with Sharon/Bush on this one. You know what i mean? Plus remember Bush is the President of the USA, not of Israel. He's not responsable for what Sharon does. P.S. I'm not pro-Israel, i'm neutral in this shit. Plus i'm Italian, and Italy is well known for being "friend" of Palestina since forever. So..
white Boy:
so is he dead or isnt he???
Rampant:
hes in a coma and not doing well.
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