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16 year old son kills mothers rapist with bat, sentenced to 3 years prison
Machiavelli:
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on November 11, 2004, 03:31:10 PM ---
Just like you
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Look whos talking...
*Jamal*:
Damn, you really are ugly. LOL, I was just joking, but when you posted your pic up, I was like "damn, I was right"
Rampant:
honestly what does his looks have to do with anything related to this topic.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Ozir on November 11, 2004, 12:31:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Antonio on November 11, 2004, 09:54:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ozir on November 11, 2004, 08:31:54 AM ---I agree with Antonio about the distinction between lawyers and judges and not having people imposing their own "street" justice... but I also see the emotion involved in this crime. It's a fucked up situation all around.
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Obviously it is, and nobody can neglect it. But let's try to look at it from another perspective, maybe more interesting (since everybody agrees it's a fucked up situation): the legal aspect. What is better, as a message? Is the "I wouldn't even mind the 3 years" a message you can give to other 16 years old guys? Is the "he did a wrong thing, so i killed him" a message you can give? I dont think so. The law should educate. And the "criminals" should learn from their mistakes. "Minding" about the sentence.
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^ What I was trying to say is that I see both sides of the argument... but I tend to agee with you about imposing a harsher penalty (more than 3 years) for killing to send a message... but then you start taking away a judge's discretion to decide what punishment is warranted. For example, in Cali, the "3-Strikes" law takes away all discretion from the judge... If a person comes before a judge with their 3rd Strike (something as petty as stealing food from the grocery store), the judge can't look at the circumstances... he has to impose a pre-determined sentence for the 3rd strike (25 to life). That's crazy. A judge should be given discretion to decide what sentence should be imposed.
In this case, the judge imposed a 3 year sentence. For the crime of murder, that is a very "soft" punishment, but the judge had discretion... looked at the circumstances (mother was raped, the guy is a minor, he was tauted by the deceased, etc., etc.) ... and then imposed the sentence he/she felt appropriate. I agree with this approach.
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Yeah, me too. It should always be like that.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on November 11, 2004, 03:22:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Antonio on November 11, 2004, 07:43:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on November 11, 2004, 05:37:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: Antonio on November 11, 2004, 03:57:56 AM ---Old stories, nothing new. I mean i'm a lawyer, this shit will go on forever. Personally i think 3 years are not enought. Nobody got the rights to kill someone. Never. I dont care if he was 16 or 30. He deserves more jailtime to reflect about the fact he killed a man. Like that, he'll be out when he'll be 20 years old, and what's the message he'll get? I can kill if i think i'm right. No.
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First, work on your English. Next, I'd like to point out that it must be really fuckin' easy to become a lawyer in whatever country you're at.
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About my english, i'll improve it if necessary, but i think it's enought to communicate with you, since you replied and you made a sarcastic comment about me. Other than that, i'm Italian, and you are confounding the role of a judge with the one of a lawyer. A judge has to make sentences basing them on the written laws or previous sentences. Obviously he cant found the reasons of the sentence on personal opinions, or on the experiences of his own life. But a lawyer aint in the same position, so you really dont have a point. It's an opinion i shared with you. The fact i'm a lawyer doesnt implicate i cant have opinions, or that i have to defend someone at any costs. I wrote it only to say that i've seen dozen of stories like this one, where you ask yourself if the guy really has to be punished or if it's possible to accept the fact he made justice by himself. Well, it's not possible. That's what i'm saying, and that's what every judge or lawyer will say about it. Selfmade justice is not possible. If you live in the streets, you'll have a different opinion about it. If you live by the rules, you cant. End of the story.
P.S. You doesnt look intelligent when you diss people on a board. Get it and go to school before you diss me and my degree.
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My point was basically that it must be easy as hell for someone to become a lawyer in Italy, if even an idiot like you can become one.
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I wont even care to reply to a kid like you. Go to school. :-*
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