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It's Official - Palestinian Leader Arafat Dies at 75
King Tech Quadafi:
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--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on November 11, 2004, 06:00:07 PM ---*rubs eyes*
Is that Smerlus posting or Englewood? Either way, this idiot completely skips my post and does the same thing my post predicted and criticized. Posting an article that is filled with lies, in an effort to smear the man (post 2000), and again brings up Palestinian violence with no context.
Man, I think you have an information glass cieling. I think youve hit your limit. Your brain dont have the capacity to understand what Tech is sayin.
"Lungs is too small to hot box with God"
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Shoot. I was expecting another half hour rant...
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Just admit you out classed woman. How far into my post did you get? Third Sentence? Second Paragraph? :D
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on November 11, 2004, 06:05:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Woodrow on November 11, 2004, 06:01:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on November 11, 2004, 06:00:07 PM ---*rubs eyes*
Is that Smerlus posting or Englewood? Either way, this idiot completely skips my post and does the same thing my post predicted and criticized. Posting an article that is filled with lies, in an effort to smear the man (post 2000), and again brings up Palestinian violence with no context.
Man, I think you have an information glass cieling. I think youve hit your limit. Your brain dont have the capacity to understand what Tech is sayin.
"Lungs is too small to hot box with God"
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Shoot. I was expecting another half hour rant...
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Just admit you out classed woman. How far into my post did you get? Third Sentence? Second Paragraph? :D
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I don't even read your posts. You can think you've "out classed" me, but the truth is, I don't care what you have to say.
King Tech Quadafi:
Ha ha ha, pathetic.
I TO DA GEEZY:
WoodRow I'd like to thank you for bringing those articles,Such horrible truths can't be hidden. A scumbag terrorist is dead and the whole fuckin board is with teary eyes, what would u say if it was Osama?....
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on November 11, 2004, 05:40:39 PM ---Tech knew this would happen.
Out of the woods comes all the goofs yappin about how Arafat was a terrorist, and a crook etc etc etc
Which I mean he was, I aint questioning that . I never denied Arafat attacked civilians or looted cash.
But the nerve of some to highlight this things and not speak a word of Israels wrongdoings which make Arafat look like a Saint.
In light of the actions of one man, an entire generation of oppression and persecution is forgotted. Forget the fact that these Palestinians have been shit on, lets look at the Palestinians leader, who - unbelievable as it may seem- chose to fight back with whatever was in his disposal.
When you speak about the man, keep the conflict in mind, keep Israel in mind, understand the context of what youre sayin.
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Thats one beef with this anti Arafat shit, the second one is the propogation of outright lies. And even after I have called motherfuckers out on this, these lies still continue to spread.
Sikotic, you the homie, dont believe this nonsense about the man changing.
The post 98 bullshit media reports will have yall believe that there was this historic gathering initiated by courageous Israelis and the vanglorious William Clinton. Palestinians grudgingly coming along. There in Camp David, a wonderful offer was made of 97% of the West Bank. Arafat refused to, and then after storming out, he "chose a path of violence", "resorted to terrorism", "picked violence over peace", something to that effect, these journalists have great vocabularies u know.
Arafat since then has been vilified, the second intifada attributed to him, and its consistency since attributed to his support of it/lack of condemnation. Arafat is snubbed and called an "obstacle to peace" by Bush, while Sharon is getting state visits to Washington and hailed as a "man of Peace" by Bush (both are exact quotes). No more peace partner Arafat, Road Map thrown out the window.
So what really happened?
Clinton in an effort to cement his legacy brought both sides to the table, and sought to enforce a solution. Barak then made this wonderful offer: A fragmented Palestinian state in half of Gaza and 97%of the West Bank. Military checkpoints? Oh, they stay. Israeli settlements? Oh, they stay and are considered a part of Israel. Doesnt that effect the sovereignity of Palestine you say? Why of course it does. Because roads leading to these settlements and checkpoints are controlled by Israel. Considering the depth and location of these settlements, and you have a fragmented state sliced up by settlements, checkpoints and roads. Foreign soveriegnity? Restricted.
Foreign Affairs? Controlled by Israel. This is not theories or lies, this is the nature of this offer. The only thing these fuckin newspapers will tell you about the offer was the eye catching 97% figure, Baraks "unprecedented" offer, and Arafats "torpedoing" the process.
Of course this fuckin offer was unprecedented. As opposed to the handfuls of shit youve been offering them for the last 50 years, a cup of cofee and a couple of guns would be unprecedented. In essence, as Chomsky and Finkelstein have pointed out, what we would have is a Bantustan, autonomous, fragmented, separated, paralyzed Palestinian ghetto. But hey, its a cheap market for Israeli goods! :)
We would be discussing Arafats death 3 years ago, if he came home with this offer in his pocket. Would make Chamberlain and his letter of peace from Hitler seem trivial in comparison. Which leads us to the aftermath of this failed process, the second intifada attributed to an outright aggressive attempt by Arafat to reek mayhem and shed jewish blood in order to destroy the 3rd biggest nuclear power in the world. One cafe at a time right, ese? :). Of course this explanation makes much more sense to logic-deprived quasi-conservative commentators (Hello, Englewood), then the simple fact that this fuckin pathetic excuse for a "peace" offer was THE BEST THEY COULD DO. This is under heavy American pressure to make some sort of a minor concession. If this is the best the Israelis were willing to accept, what the fuck do you want Palestinians to do? Launch a campaign of non violence? Boycott the buses? Million Arab march on Tel Aviv? Of course theyre gonna erupt and go all out, this is not war chump. This is not a fight between two countries, this is a population under ya routine military occupation times 100. This is erasing of an entire people. This is stealing of land, stealing of identity. This is eradication of a culture, this is renaming of villages, this is redrawing of citizenship, this is raping of women, this is indiscriminate killing of civilians, this is torture, this is genocide.
This is something your dumb feeble mind dont understand Woodrow Englewood. Youre too predictable, youre articles Tech was laughin at 3 years ago, but youre the little engine that could of TOT, youve gone from just posting articles to actually creating full fledged posts and I commend you for that, but you got a while to go before you bring anything decent to the table when the Middle East is the topic. Siiiin? Now go wipe your ass with that article of yours.
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so the 97% figure is not enough right? - why because the checkpoints were gonna stay? or may be because of the settlements? You make this seem to be a very easy decision, it was as easy for Arafat to decline, I believe....One thing though, Your heroes the "Worrior Palestinians", those "freedom fighters" they never recognized Israel's right to exist, you're talking about how Israel wouldn't give them a proper slice but fact remains that a slice is not what they wanted, they wanted and still want the whole cake...That's proably why the Settlements weren't even mantioned in their original demand( the claim was brought to the table only through Oslo), and why would they bring such a claim towards a state whose right for existance they denie, The settlements are a part of Israel and Israel shouldn't even exist, That only proves that there were no peace motivations on behalf of Arafat, he went into Oslo only to rase compromise on behalf of Israel while in fact maintaining his old philosophy, He brought the Palestinian Declaration to recognize Israel's existance on paper While new demands emerged. When acts of terrorism sprung Arafat rushed to condemn them while behind the scenes being the one in charge of every and each one of them.
Israeli checkpoints and control was and is mandatory, If they recieved 97% of the west bank the first thing Palestinian radical groups would think was that they're on the right track, and they would increase their actions, That would show the world Arafat's true face before it was necessary, he coudln't alow that, And as soon as Israel would get the clearence to retaliate properly his grand scheme would be destroyed...Barak new that, His theory was that new school left winger type," I'll give them what they need to create a state but if they keep atackin we can crush them formally and with wide support, If they're gonna be peacefull then we both win".
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