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Opium Production Under the Taliban
Ant:
--- Quote from: *Jamal* on November 19, 2004, 08:35:01 AM ---The effective argument was the part where I told you to look into the U.S. foreign policy of the last 50 years. If you know anything about our actions in Central/South America, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you're not aware, then go read about it.
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I'm only going to write this one more time.
Bush claims to be fighting an effective war on terror. Bush choose to invade afghanistan as part of the war on terror. The drug trade and terrorism are closely connected. Now afghanistan is the world'es larget opium producer.
The difference between what your saying and what I am saying is simple. Other presidents did not claim to be fighting a war on terror. I dont disagree US foreign policy has its flaws. But if Bush is going to say he is fighting a war on terror, and yet the countrie he is invaded are turned into fucked up messes, then there is cause for concern and reason for criticism.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Ant on November 19, 2004, 08:32:12 AM ---Ok I dont know why this is so difficult to grasp but:
1. Bush is the first US president to declare an outright "War on Terrorism"
2. Terrorists are funded via the drug trade
3. Under the Bush Admin's orders the US invaded Afghanistan as part of our fight on Terror
4. In early 2001 the Taliban aggressively cut opium production
5. After the US invasion opium production in Afghanistan surged.
6. The Bush Administration often refers to Afghanistan as an amazing success story.
If you are fighting a war on terror, and the drug trade is part of that war, then don't you thin k its ineffective to invade a country, allow opium production to surge post-invasion, place the responsibility for stopping opium production on a newly formed government, and declare afghanistan one of your success stories? I'm not just attacked Bush ever, I'm crticizing the whole administration. Somebody fucked up. If you are fighting a war on teror, as they claim to be, a country you JUST invaded, should not be the world's largest producer of opium just 2 years after your invasion. Its as simple as that. If their concern is fighting an effective war on terror, why shouldn't the afghanistan drug problem be an issue they should have dealt with?
Yes, opium production may have been high under the Clinton years, but there are a host of problems for the world to deal with, they cannot all be managed. Bush admin took on Terrorism as one of their main priorities. By allowing opium production to surge in a country you JUST invaded, well maybe I'm an asshole, but in my mind it seems you just fucked up a lil bit.
Anywayz one liners like "i don't like bush, but your just being stupid" are NOT effective arguments. All your throwing at me is opinion, and again, I don't write posts calling anyone out or trying to diss people. So please don't come in my posts with one-liner character attacks.
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The problem in Afghanistan, like Jamal said, is that there's nothing to live with, so common people (not terrorists, but common people) are starting to produce opium as a job since there are no controls and since it's an easy way to make some money to live. Afghanistan President banned opium, but since the nation is too big and there are no real controls, nobody is respecting it. Plus if they see you producing opium, they cant send you to jail, cause they have bigger problems than opium. This is making common people produce it, and sell it. The mistake USA did is that they didnt really help Afghanistan to grew up on his own after the war, with a good economy, good industries, etc.. Terrorism has nothing to do with it. It's about money and international help. The same thing Costas asked for Afghanistan.
Ant:
I never said terrorists were producing opium. I said terrorism and the drug trade are lnked, which they are. Terrorist groups make money by transporting drugs. That is why opium is a problem.
As you said somewhat, I believe the US fucked up by not giving afghanistan enough attention post invasion in helping them reestablish their country. More could have been done to train police forces, help develop the economy, and so on. Admittedly, I'm not an expert on this topic, but all I am saying is that if Bush claims to be fighting a war on terrror, more should have been done to curtail opium productin post-us invasion. As we can see now that did not happen.
Additionally, if Bush is going to call afghanistan a success, well to me, based on the fact that afghanistan is producing 87% of the world's opium. that claim is complete bullshit and in many ways afghanistan is as much of a failure as Iraq is.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: Ant on November 19, 2004, 08:53:51 AM ---I never said terrorists were producing opium. I said terrorism and the drug trade are lnked, which they are. Terrorist groups make money by transporting drugs. That is why opium is a problem.
As you said somewhat, I believe the US fucked up by not giving afghanistan enough attention post invasion in helping them reestablish their country. More could have been done to train police forces, help develop the economy, and so on. Admittedly, I'm not an expert on this topic, but all I am saying is that if Bush claims to be fighting a war on terrror, more should have been done to curtail opium productin post-us invasion. As we can see now that did not happen.
Additionally, if Bush is going to call afghanistan a success, well to me, based on the fact that afghanistan is producing 87% of the world's opium. that claim is complete bullshit and in many ways afghanistan is as much of a failure as Iraq is.
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The help Afghanistan needs should come from the UN, not only USA. They need money. They need to give those people who are producing opium to live an alternative. It's like if Colombia declares war to USA. USA easly wins. Then what? If they dont rebuild Colombia, people will continue to produce heroin. You know what i mean?
acbaylove:
The only way to fight terrorism is to give them terrorists a chance to make legal money by having a real job.
USA just bombed Talibans (well, they deserved it!), but when it comes to help the nation just bombed, nobody does it.
Not only USA. I'm talking about the whole world.
Shit just think about (ex) Jugoslavia, man!
Shit will get out of control again, soon.
Why?
Cause people dont have a job, people dont have money, they left Jugoslavia alone.
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