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Germans Are Still In Debt To Europe
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on December 01, 2004, 12:48:27 PM ---Youre actually advocating return of empires, then you rail against Bush in another post. Limosine liberals and bandwagon posters gets no luuuv.
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i'm advocating the empire system would have been so much better i'm not suggesting a return of them because that would be world 3 and would probably dam near destroy the world, but i believe increased responsible governence could have flourished had we began to work together and utilised advances in the last century together. i don't believe bush has been acting responsibly in many areas so i shall state my opinion on that. bear in mind read up on history alot in my spare time and have read a few books on empires i just believe the whole system could have been so much better for the world, and the germans ruined that hence my creating this thread.
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on December 01, 2004, 01:38:06 PM ---yes but with out thier bad sides as we could have easily deteriated as have human rights abuses in most developed countries, when your all working together you can become more prosperous. Its not necessarily a bad thing to be in an empire
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You have a very simplistic view of things, however I admire your optimism. Even though youre totally off.
An empire system is the current system but more overtly inforced. There is no difference between an Empire and Americas current position.
Having an empire will only strengthen Western grip on the worlds resources, it will drown out nationalism , and lead to a global order that we are already on the road to. In essence, your proposing an answer to a problem, however that answer is complimentary to the problem.
Name one empire where more than 10% of the occupied countries benefitted from it. And dont bring up Romans. Im talkin last couple hundred years.
7even:
--- Quote from: Trauma on November 30, 2004, 05:36:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on November 30, 2004, 07:36:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: Elevz on November 30, 2004, 12:26:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Trauma on November 29, 2004, 11:43:53 PM ---Yeah, you shouldn't forget *ANYTHING, actually. Bad, or good, you should remember whatever you can, memories are knowledge, knowledge is never bad.
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I think the Germans have learned from what happened, so that we can be almost sure this won't happen again in the near future. Once people forget about this, they might fall back into the same old bullshit again.
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this will happen again anyways. history repeats itself. nowadays we again have a leader talking about crusades, which were like a million years ago..
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Who is your leader going on crusades? Yall oughta overthrow his ass, that's horrible. Fuckin' Germans.
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I talked about George Walker Bush, like you probably knew. Btw, you re-elected that dude.
BlockBuster:
Haha Germans whipped that ass.
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: O.G. Techniec on December 01, 2004, 03:17:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on December 01, 2004, 01:38:06 PM ---yes but with out thier bad sides as we could have easily deteriated as have human rights abuses in most developed countries, when your all working together you can become more prosperous. Its not necessarily a bad thing to be in an empire
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You have a very simplistic view of things, however I admire your optimism. Even though youre totally off.
An empire system is the current system but more overtly inforced. There is no difference between an Empire and Americas current position.
Having an empire will only strengthen Western grip on the worlds resources, it will drown out nationalism , and lead to a global order that we are already on the road to. In essence, your proposing an answer to a problem, however that answer is complimentary to the problem.
Name one empire where more than 10% of the occupied countries benefitted from it. And dont bring up Romans. Im talkin last couple hundred years.
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We industrialised india and look at the sucess of our old colonies america, canada, astralia, new zeeland etc. and look at those who weren't would be better off under british rule, in particular africa since european powers gave up their holds on the continent there have been many wars and corruption is rife
take zimbabwe as an example
--- Quote ---Upon independence in 1980, Zimbabwe had a balance of payments surplus, a low foreign debt and regularly exported surplus food. After two decades of Robert Mugabe's rule, the economy is in rapid decline, a land crisis has been created, political instability increases daily and much of the population is starving. A famine looms.
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i will give mugarbe credit he did start off by creating the best educational system in africa until he feared their knowledge.
another exaple would be the situation in sudan
india and pakistan nearly going to nuclear war
troubles the jews have caused since britain left palestine
the british colonial regime may not have been liked but in many cases it was probably better than the alternatives, to create a peaceful and prosperous world. however it was doomed due to the change in the way people viewed empires and that it was too costly for us to maintain, we tried our best to leave governments which would be good for the country and stability of of the world and continued favourable trading with them until entry to the EU where obligations to europe meant we couldn't coninue
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