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M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on November 30, 2004, 03:24:39 AM ---Call me crazy, but I don't think Strom Thrumund, or Trent Lott have used the word ni**er on a national news as recently as 2001.
My bad. You should know your senators.
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but yet they both promoted segration... Lott as recently as 2002/2003.
Ant:
Senator Byrd actually used the phrase "white nigger." He wasn't referring to black people, he was actually criticizing white bigotry... he also said that race relations have continually improved during his lifetime, and they need to continue improving. Now, ok, I am slightly embarassed at Senator Byrd's poor choice of words. But he is an 83 yr old senator, who is openly honest and critical of his KKK past. You can find more than a few quotes were Senator Byrd cricizes the Klan, racism, and admits his own embarassment in his past actions. He has also willingly chosen a party, that has been responsible for the civil rights movement.
Again, I'll remind you. When the democrats pushed for a civil rights movement, they did what GWB often claims he does, they made an important decision without considering opinion polls. The democratically inspired civil rights movement, was the beginning of the end of democrats being able to carry southern states. In fact, Strom Thurmond, was a former democrat until Johnson pushed for civil rights, the democracts at that time pushed a lot of racists out of their party, and guess what, all those former racists democrats, eventually became republicans.
But I never said, Bush is racist, or all republicans are racist. I said, the republican party enjoys the support of racist voters. Clearly they do. This is why the republicans can so easily carry the south.
In case you didn't read it the first time, Strom Thurmond, left the democratic party and ran for president on a platform stating:
"We oppose and condem the Democratic Convention in sponsoring a civil rights program calling for the elimination of segregation."
He carried four states, and recently Trent Lott, an individual, your party chose as its majority party leader, actually said:
"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either,"
A candidate you ran this past election, ran on a platform stating there are 'favored races' and the reason detriot is a "looks worse than hiroshima", is because it is dominanted by "less favored racists" i.e. blacks. That's not only racist, it is very similiar to the nazism. But republicans voted for him during the primaries, and chose him as their candidate.
and just last week, republican voters in alabama, voted to keep segregation part of their state constitution.
When I said the republican party recieves a lot of racist support you responded "LOL! I'd really like to see you try and back that up with facts." Not only have I presented you with plenty of 'facts', but your making it seem as if ur second republican myth may be true also. But then again, maybe its not that republicans are entirely illiterate, they just can't read anything that disagrees with their idealistic view of their party.
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: Ant on December 01, 2004, 08:58:02 AM ---Senator Byrd actually used the phrase "white nigger." He wasn't referring to black people, he was actually criticizing white bigotry... he also said that race relations have continually improved during his lifetime, and they need to continue improving. Now, ok, I am slightly embarassed at Senator Byrd's poor choice of words. But he is an 83 yr old senator, who is openly honest and critical of his KKK past. You can find more than a few quotes were Senator Byrd cricizes the Klan, racism, and admits his own embarassment in his past actions. He has also willingly chosen a party, that has been responsible for the civil rights movement.
Again, I'll remind you. When the democrats pushed for a civil rights movement, they did what GWB often claims he does, they made an important decision without considering opinion polls. The democratically inspired civil rights movement, was the beginning of the end of democrats being able to carry southern states. In fact, Strom Thurmond, was a former democrat until Johnson pushed for civil rights, the democracts at that time pushed a lot of racists out of their party, and guess what, all those former racists democrats, eventually became republicans.
But I never said, Bush is racist, or all republicans are racist. I said, the republican party enjoys the support of racist voters. Clearly they do. This is why the republicans can so easily carry the south.
In case you didn't read it the first time, Strom Thurmond, left the democratic party and ran for president on a platform stating:
"We oppose and condem the Democratic Convention in sponsoring a civil rights program calling for the elimination of segregation."
He carried four states, and recently Trent Lott, an individual, your party chose as its majority party leader, actually said:
"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either,"
A candidate you ran this past election, ran on a platform stating there are 'favored races' and the reason detriot is a "looks worse than hiroshima", is because it is dominanted by "less favored racists" i.e. blacks. That's not only racist, it is very similiar to the nazism. But republicans voted for him during the primaries, and chose him as their candidate.
and just last week, republican voters in alabama, voted to keep segregation part of their state constitution.
When I said the republican party recieves a lot of racist support you responded "LOL! I'd really like to see you try and back that up with facts." Not only have I presented you with plenty of 'facts', but your making it seem as if ur second republican myth may be true also. But then again, maybe its not that republicans are entirely illiterate, they just can't read anything that disagrees with their idealistic view of their party.
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So just two posts ago, you have no idea who Chris Dodd and Robert Byrd are, but now you're an expert on the civil rights movement, democratic involvement, and try and excuse somebody for using a racist term? It's funny to me how you brand a whole group of voters as "Racist" with no proof, but then move to excuse a Grand Dragon of the KKK because he's a member of your party. Does that seem right to you?
What you said was: "You do realize that a large portion of the conservative base is actually racist?" that statement is a lot different than: "the republican party enjoys the support of racist voters"
I don't see how anything you've posted has proved that "a large portion of the conservative base is actually racist."
If anything has been proven, it's that racism doesn't follow party lines.
You're moron for typing it, and an even bigger moron for believing it.
Ant:
No they are very similiar statements. 1) republicans enjoy the support of racist voters 2) racist voters constitute a large portion of the republican base (base referring to segments of the population that always vote republican) racist voters are part of the republican base, and most racist voters always vote republican. Now large is subjectively defined. I see the facts I mentioned, and say that a large portion of the republican base is racist. Republican support of racism helped Strom Thurmond carry four states on an openly racist platform. To me that is a significant amount of racist support. According to former majority leader Lott, his state was "proud" it voted for thurmond even in 2002. Also, Thurmond was supported by the republican party until the day he died, and continually voted into office by republican voters.
But let's review your logic:
1. Republican Majority Leader says the country would be better of if we elected strom Thurmond president. Let's not neglect the fact that republicans a) choose to run strom thurmond for a senate seat and b) republican voters kept him in office.
2. Republicans vote to keep segregation part of their state constitution in 2004.
3. Republicans elect a candidate who wrote a book entitled "favored races" in 2004.
While,
4. One democratic senator was a member of the KKK in the 40s, and has since denouced the KKK, supported civil rights causes, and affirmative action, and says "one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear it."
And you say essentially both sides are equally racist? Please explain to me, how having one member of your party be in the KKK 60 years ago, compares to the examples I gave you.
Why is it that republicans always carry southern states? lol Why is it that the democrats actually pushed people out of their party to pursue civil rights? Do you really think racist southerners vote democrat, and the non racists southerners vote republican? Are there any grounds on which you would criticize your party or do you intend to play see no evil hear no evil for the rest of your life?
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