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Nas Sparks Controversy w/ 'Coon Picnic' Song
M Dogg™:
you didn't even read my post. You just responded to what you thought I typed. You read something about Eminem and assumed that was all i wrote. As I said, the problem is way deeper than you can imagion. It's a problem within our communities that you can never understand. Deal with it, move on with life, and don't judge Nas for being someone that expresses his point of view as a black man about black issues. That's like me judging white people for white issues. I don't know how white people think. I can't just say, well Eminem is a racist because he knows his taking advantage of his race, and is ignoring black people who started hip-hop. I don't even feel like that, and it's not my place to say. Now if Eminem says some shit on Mexicans, like we are all illegals, then we have an issue. The problem we have in our community, you can never understand. It runs deep, and wither it's for better or worst, because of the nature of our history, our issues have to deal with how we interact with white people, because well, white people basically took over our history. So what you have here are issues that run deeper than you can see. If you can't see the whole issue, then please don't comment.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on December 08, 2004, 04:48:59 PM ---you didn't even read my post. You just responded to what you thought I typed. You read something about Eminem and assumed that was all i wrote. As I said, the problem is way deeper than you can imagion. It's a problem within our communities that you can never understand. Deal with it, move on with life, and don't judge Nas for being someone that expresses his point of view as a black man about black issues. That's like me judging white people for white issues. I don't know how white people think. I can't just say, well Eminem is a racist because he knows his taking advantage of his race, and is ignoring black people who started hip-hop. I don't even feel like that, and it's not my place to say. Now if Eminem says some shit on Mexicans, like we are all illegals, then we have an issue. The problem we have in our community, you can never understand. It runs deep, and wither it's for better or worst, because of the nature of our history, our issues have to deal with how we interact with white people, because well, white people basically took over our history. So what you have here are issues that run deeper than you can see. If you can't see the whole issue, then please don't comment.
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I re-read your post. I guess I confused the White America part with the White America song. It still doesn't change anything. It's not what was said, as much as how it was said and by who said it. I'm disappointed with Nas because he claims to be better than that. I'd be disappointed with Cosby and Gibson, because they claim the same. I don't care what Em says because I don't expect anything from Em as far ad morality is concerened.
I (think) understand what you mean when you say the White Man's world has caused people of other races to hate themselves and look at whiter as better or more respectable. This is something that needs to be fixed, but not by insulting those that choose lighter women. You cannot say for sure that a black or hispanic man with a white women is only with her for class, or subconscious betterment. It's a nice theory and it may be true for some, but it is foolish to apply it to every interracial couple you see (I'm not saying that you do). What if they really do love each other and want to be together?
The bottom line is that I just don't like his stand. If he were to come out with a song where the obvious message is "all you blacks that think white means better or more respectable need to love yourselves and accept equality, but that doesn't mean you have to stay with your own to stay 'black". Then I would commend him, and totally agree with the moral of the song. There is nothing wrong with saying that. Calling blacks with white women sell outs, or blacks not from the streets who don't give to the streets, sell outs, is falling victim to the times. Nas claims he's above it, yet he's failed to show it. He did the same on verse 3 of I Can. There is a way to compliment one race with out insulting the other, he chooses not to do so. That's fine for a black seperatist, because that's what they stand for, but Nas claims to stand for much more.
I apoligize if I missed your point again. Please explain it to me if I'm wrong.
M Dogg™:
you got the point. It's just understanding, which is hard. It's all good. I mean, you expect more from Nas, and as a minority, I expect no less, because to me, it's something I feel should be touched on. As someone who sees the issue as it is, and knows the resent history, and has been on both sides of the interracial dating fence, getting dissed for dating white girls, and if you can believe this, I was actually getting praise for dating a Latina, not because she was pretty or we looked happy together, but because I stuck to my race... lol. I has a lot more to do with love. Yes, in some cases it is love, and yes it's possible. But the main issue is so deep. It's deeper for minorities because we have to look at ourselves, our communities, our people. This is an issue that 2Pac did many years ago, it's one that Chuck D, Ice Cube and many other "political" or "conscience" rapper has tackled, all from the same stance Nas is in. If all these rappers that are seen as higher in social awareness take the same stance, don't you think that what you see as negative, that others see as positive. As I said, it's not about right or wrong, it's about self image, self hate in our communities, also it's about racial awareness, and who we are. It's deep, for minorities, it's real deep. You have your stance because of your background and how it's not an issue for you. Our stance comes from our history and the fact that it is an issue. Just we come to the same issue from different angles... so we look at it differently. Don't hate Nas if he sees the issue from the left side when his looking in from the left, well you see it on the right. It's a very sad reality about the state of racial relations. You'd think after all these years, it would finally end.
Juronimo:
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 08, 2004, 11:29:57 AM ---Tiger Woods doesn't owe anyone shit. It was the foolish ignorant racist pride of the African Americans that caused them to embrace him.
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Are you serious? Being proud of being black, even though for years we have been told we were inferior and ignorant makes us racist?
Wow.
Damn straight I'm proud of being black. My heritage, what my ancestors have accomplishments despite overwhelming odds makes me proud.
How does me or any other black person being proud of our heritage makes us racist? You obviously have no idea what racism is. I really hope you're not this stupid.
Let me ask you a question. Why do you listen to hip hop? What do you get out of it? Do you feel it, I mean really feel what's being expressed by hip hop artists, I mean the artists the are actually speaking on some real shit?
Juronimo:
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on December 08, 2004, 04:07:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 08, 2004, 12:25:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: SGV on December 08, 2004, 11:33:47 AM ---Shallow, just let it go. You're on the outside looking in. Juronimo is black, he feels what Nas is saying and understands it.
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This has to do with right and wrong, not black and not black. I hate when people say if you're not black then you can't...... whatever. Nas tries to come off as this holier than thou type of person and he constanty contradicts it. If some KKK guy said the same thing I probably wouldn't think anything of it, because that guy would be seen as the idiot he is and there would be no reason for me say what had already been said by everyone else, but it isn't okay for a black person to show racism against blacks or accuse them of being less "black" than they should be.
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The funny thing is that white people really have an issue with blacks talking about the black community, because it's one thing they cannot control. Black will not have any of this talking about black issues. Now if Eminem talks about white America, his an artist genious, his stating his opinion, but if Nas is talking about the state of black people, you get pissed because it's not your place to say shit, but Nas can. You are saying his racist, for dissing black people for doing stupit shit. It's a black community issue, and you get mad because you can't understand it has nothing to so with black and white, or right or wrong. What this has to do with is self image, it has to do with self hate of your race, and many other issues. I can give examples in the Latin community, because that's what I know, and speaking to many black people, they have the same issues. Like when a child is born, it's better to be lighter, because lighter is considered more attractive. In music videos, it's the lighter girls because that's see as beautiful. In Latin communities, if a woman is attractive enough, she will more than likely marry a white man, because that's considered a step up in class status. Black women though are not liked by white men, except white men that want to be black. When a Latin man gets an education, he goes for white women because they are a sign that they have made it, they can be accepted by white America. I've heard the same with black. In our communities, many women are left by the men that are still in the community, because our good men leave and marry white women (more of a myth, since that's our women's excuse to why there is no good Latin men) My mom was not a racist, but before she died she said it very clearly she does not want me to marry a white woman. It's an issue that deals with us, and our self hate of our race, not the white race. You guys just happen to be who we try to be like. The issue is even deeper than that. That's all just a quick type out. You can't even begin to understand it, so please don't try.
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Nicely said, Lost Angel.
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