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Shallow:

--- Quote from: Juronimo on December 08, 2004, 08:03:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 08, 2004, 11:29:57 AM ---Tiger Woods doesn't owe anyone shit. It was the foolish ignorant racist pride of the African Americans that caused them to embrace him.

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Are you serious? Being proud of being black, even though for years we have been told we were inferior and ignorant makes us racist?

Wow.

Damn straight I'm proud of being black. My heritage, what my ancestors have accomplishments despite overwhelming odds makes me proud.

How does me or any other black person being proud of our heritage makes us racist? You obviously have no idea what racism is. I really hope you're not this stupid.

Let me ask you a question. Why do you listen to hip hop? What do you get out of it? Do you feel it, I mean really feel what's being expressed by hip hop artists, I mean the artists the are actually speaking on some real shit?

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Being proud to be black is not racist, but only liking golf because a black guy is good at it is racist. If Tiger was white how many black kids would care? Look at Vijay Singh, he's dark skinned and no one gives a shit. He never gets the big money ad deals or anything like that. Tiger just went out there to play golf, not represent the streets, because he wasn't from the streets. A whole bunch of black kids and community leaders embraced him just because he was black. How is that not racist? I would say it's like white kids who only started listening to hip hop because if Em, but it was Hammer and Vanilla Ice that brought those kids in to hip hop.

As for why I listen to hip hop; well I don't listen to too much anymore; very little actually. When I did I was younger and I found NWA, Snoop, and DPG to be very funny, and the comedy aspect was what brought me in. I appreciated Tupac for his poetic lyricism and incredible recording voice. I never listened to any music to become empowered, I had Jesus for that and he's a little better than Pac or Nas. Dear Mama was the closest hip hop song that made me emotional, but no where near as emotional as Bruce Springsteen's 41 Shots (it's a song about a young black kid, Charles, in New York who was gunned down by police. He had no weapon but was shot 41 times because they thought he was carrying something). Bruce sang it live in New York right in front of the police department who were honorary guests at the concert. Bruce didn't directly point the finger but it was more than implied. It was more a sad song than a hate song, but you could feel the anger in Bruce's voice; very touching.


Now let me give you a little insight on my ancestry, Lost Angel this somewhat responds to you as well. I am of Greek descent. My ancestors from about 500-300 BC were the center of the western world. They flourished, learned, and expanded. Greece was not one nation until Alexander united the city states and made it his goal to spread the Greek way of living. He went in Egypt which was war torn, united it and became Pharaoh, he went west and north spreading Greece to North West Africa and south East Asia. After his death his kingdom was split, and another force began to emerge. Rome was next in line to conquer. Greece was quickly decimated, and everywhere but Egypt was now over taken by Rome. (The last phase of Egypt actually was very Greek. Cleopatra was a Greek woman and a direct descendant of Ptolemy, one of Alexander's general). Any way, when Rome conquered Greece they pretty much took everything; the language, the religion, the math, the science, and changed what the Greeks called themselves. A Greek before Rome was called "elinas" or Hellenic. The word Greek or Greco is derogatory, like Nigger. No where in the history of Greece did Greeks ever refer to themselves as Greeks. Until years later when they just accepted the word as the universal term for them, and now a days they don't even realize it was once an insult.

Greece continued enslaved under Roman rule until Rome crumbled and the Frankish Kings took over. Eastern Rome continued to stay active and ran Greece. The rise of Christianity lead to more Greeks being granted freedom from slavery. Until about 1450 when the Muslim Ottoman Empire took over Rome and Greece. Greece was now enslaved again, by the Turks this time. They were forced to convert or remain as slaves. They chose slavery, something most other countries did not. All those black African countries were now always Muslim by choice; many were forced into it by the Muslim army. The Greeks decided to keep their Christian beliefs even though the Muslim and Turkish teachings were taught to children in school. (Imagine the white supremacists taking black children from the fields and putting them in school, only to teach them that black is inferior, and should be enslaved). The Greeks had to maintain the culture through underground methods. Schools and churches were privately built in basements of buildings, stores, and houses. For 400 years they maintained this, while slowly building an army to revolt. The day finally came in the 1800s. Greece fought back and drove Turkey out. Unfortunately for the other enslaved countries like Armenia who didn't have the strong revolt Greece had, Turkey took their frustrations out on them; keeping them in strong slavery, and in the early 1900s, actually performing a holocaust or genocide on Armenia.

After the revolution, Greece was finally a country again with a King; something that hadn't been in Greece for over 2000 years. However, the Greek people did not want a king, they wanted a democracy like Greece was meant to have and a civil War broke out, eventually leading to the return of democracy in Greece, where the term was coined and the notion most likely invented.

Greeks today have this immense sense of pride for overcoming the odds and striving. They too frown upon interracial union. When I grew up it was almost forced upon me to have Greek friends and find Greek girls, and celebrated when I did. I don't care what kind of girl I marry or what kind of friends I have, but I do understand what it's like to live in a community that where you are supposed to stick with your own. I don't just mean white. If I brought home French, German, or Italian, it wouldn't be any different than bringing home a black or Hispanic, and bring home Turk is out of the question. However if I were to fall in love with a Turkish girl, I wouldn't cast her away because a tight knit community would shun me. I'd just move away and start my life. More importantly I WOULD NEVER MAKE A SONG INSULTING THOSE GREEKS THAT CHOOSE MATES OUTSIDE THE GREEK CULTURE, AND ACCUSE THEM OF BEING LESS GREEK. I don't consider myself a Greek, I'm a human being who lives in Canada, and has parents who lived and grew up in Greece. That's as far as I choose to take it.

Please don't say I don't understand from both sides. I'm not white like you think I am. Blacks see me as white, whites see me as Greek, and Nazis, if they had won, would class me as Mediterranean and would have me enslaved (because I'm inferior to Aryans). During World War 2 a German was found dead in Greece and the German army went from town to town, in the area the man was found, lining all the Greek men up and killing them, just to make statement.

THA ONE*:

--- Quote from: Shallow on December 09, 2004, 09:14:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Juronimo on December 08, 2004, 08:03:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 08, 2004, 11:29:57 AM ---Tiger Woods doesn't owe anyone shit. It was the foolish ignorant racist pride of the African Americans that caused them to embrace him.

--- End quote ---

Are you serious? Being proud of being black, even though for years we have been told we were inferior and ignorant makes us racist?

Wow.

Damn straight I'm proud of being black. My heritage, what my ancestors have accomplishments despite overwhelming odds makes me proud.

How does me or any other black person being proud of our heritage makes us racist? You obviously have no idea what racism is. I really hope you're not this stupid.

Let me ask you a question. Why do you listen to hip hop? What do you get out of it? Do you feel it, I mean really feel what's being expressed by hip hop artists, I mean the artists the are actually speaking on some real shit?

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A whole bunch of black kids and community leaders embraced him just because he was black. How is that not racist? I would say it's like white kids who only started listening to hip hop because if Em, but it was Hammer and Vanilla Ice that brought those kids in to hip hop.

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The reason the black community and the kids embraced Tiger is simple, but maybe not for you since you're not a part of the black community. It's not often that Blacks are portrayed in a positive way on TV unless you play basketball, music, football, or runnin from one time. When Tiger came out playin tennis and winnin, it was something new for us. There is nothing racist about that, just as there is nothing racist about someone listening to eminem and becoming a fan of hip hop. Black kids in the hood never heard of a black man playin tennis, I know i sure in the hell didn't.Oh yea, dont act like Tiger didn't want us to embrace him. If you remember when he first came out he used to always have his dad, who is black as day, with him doin most of his talking, and it seemed like it was to get Tiger a black pass. That nigga was real, and made alot of comments about Tiger being an influence on the black community.

Shallow:

--- Quote from: THA ONE* on December 09, 2004, 10:12:05 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 09, 2004, 09:14:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Juronimo on December 08, 2004, 08:03:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 08, 2004, 11:29:57 AM ---Tiger Woods doesn't owe anyone shit. It was the foolish ignorant racist pride of the African Americans that caused them to embrace him.

--- End quote ---

Are you serious? Being proud of being black, even though for years we have been told we were inferior and ignorant makes us racist?

Wow.

Damn straight I'm proud of being black. My heritage, what my ancestors have accomplishments despite overwhelming odds makes me proud.

How does me or any other black person being proud of our heritage makes us racist? You obviously have no idea what racism is. I really hope you're not this stupid.

Let me ask you a question. Why do you listen to hip hop? What do you get out of it? Do you feel it, I mean really feel what's being expressed by hip hop artists, I mean the artists the are actually speaking on some real shit?

--- End quote ---

A whole bunch of black kids and community leaders embraced him just because he was black. How is that not racist? I would say it's like white kids who only started listening to hip hop because if Em, but it was Hammer and Vanilla Ice that brought those kids in to hip hop.

--- End quote ---


The reason the black community and the kids embraced Tiger is simple, but maybe not for you since you're not a part of the black community. It's not often that Blacks are portrayed in a positive way on TV unless you play basketball, music, football, or runnin from one time. When Tiger came out playin tennis and winnin, it was something new for us. There is nothing racist about that, just as there is nothing racist about someone listening to eminem and becoming a fan of hip hop. Black kids in the hood never heard of a black man playin tennis, I know i sure in the hell didn't.Oh yea, dont act like Tiger didn't want us to embrace him. If you remember when he first came out he used to always have his dad, who is black as day, with him doin most of his talking, and it seemed like it was to get Tiger a black pass. That nigga was real, and made alot of comments about Tiger being an influence on the black community.

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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's nice to know the difference he made in making making you aware of Tennis, SINCE HE PLAYS GOLF! You're telling me it isn't racist and you don't even get the sport right. I don't have a problem with people who became aware of golf and now apreciate it. It's the ones that like Tiger and praise him but don't really care for the sport, or in your case don't even know what sport he plays. It's like a white guy praising Eminem and calling him the greatest rapper alive but not listening to any other hip hop. To hate some one who is a certain race is racism. To favour someone who is a certain race is also racism. I'd understand black kids being better exposed to golf because of Tiger and I'm fine with that, but it's the ones that really don't care for the sport but still praise him just because he's black that bother me. This has the possibilty to lead to other things that can cause evil. Like all the hicks (I'm specifically talking about the ones that voted for Bush and didn't study the policies). They live in the south and love Bush for who he is but don't give a shit about his policies or what he does. These are the same people that would vote for him even if he and Kerry switched policies. Who's to say the same won't happen with blacks if a black President emerges and does bad things but gets black support just because he's black. That is why I'm against it; for the sake of the principle. If you like Golf and Tiger was the reason you were exposed to it, then great. If you hate Golf but you love Tiger just because he's black and there are many like that then I worry about the future, because this could lead to much worse things. It's like those who have no problem voting against gay marriage because St. Paul called it evil. This can turn into people voting to ban homosexuality and make it a crime. Then we have all these gays in jail just because they are gay. On a personal level the homo stuff is disgusting, but it is not my place to tell them what they can and can't do, so long as no one is getting hurt.

7even:
Nas is a bitch, Shallow is not too far off. I mean seriously, what the fuck?

Imagine a white man telling some other white dude that he's a sell-out cause he helps poor black africans in africa or something, lol... retards.

Sikotic™:
Just drop it for christ sake.

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