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Nas Sparks Controversy w/ 'Coon Picnic' Song
SGV:
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on December 09, 2004, 11:44:02 AM ---
That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
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No. It's not beyond the point. The fact is, Latinos and Blacks are virtually one in the same, so it's not realistic. Sorry. You're mad you can't say what you want about Blacks, why Nas, a Black man, can. Live with it.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: SGV on December 09, 2004, 03:21:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on December 09, 2004, 11:44:02 AM ---
That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
--- End quote ---
No. It's not beyond the point. The fact is, Latinos and Blacks are virtually one in the same, so it's not realistic. Sorry. You're mad you can't say what you want about Blacks, why Nas, a Black man, can. Live with it.
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Aren't latinos direct descendants of the people that first started bringing over black slaves?
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 09, 2004, 03:44:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: SGV on December 09, 2004, 03:21:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on December 09, 2004, 11:44:02 AM ---
That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
--- End quote ---
No. It's not beyond the point. The fact is, Latinos and Blacks are virtually one in the same, so it's not realistic. Sorry. You're mad you can't say what you want about Blacks, why Nas, a Black man, can. Live with it.
--- End quote ---
Aren't latinos direct descendants of the people that first started bringing over black slaves?
--- End quote ---
actually latinos are brown people, descendants of the people who got their land jacked by Europeans. If you turn on Spanish tv, it's all white not as a reflection that white people live in Mexico or Central or South America, because that's not true, it's a reflection that white people rule basically all of Latin America, and the brown people that come to the US are often the brown people that can't get a job or make any money to support their families in Latin America. In the end, it's the same struggle against a common person that always seems to be on top.
But on the real, this thread needs to be locked, because no one seems to understand where the black/brown opinion is in all this. This thread is basically angry white men, mad at comments Nas made that were intented to be controversal. That song was made for this reason, and they feel right into it, I tried to explain it all in a very nice way, actually using what I know as a minority, and expressing it with my college education. I even took my time to spell words right. And it's still the same. This proves you can't explain the minority point of view to white people, because it's too hard for them to think of life in any other way than from their own view. Where as a minority can think in both sides, because we live as minorities, but it's a white man's world, and we have to learn to live in a white man's world and be successful. This topic should not continue, because it's getting no where because it's impossible to explain to people that can't understand. It's like speaking Japanese to a man that's lived in a small village in Mexico his whole life and knows nothing but Spanish. This topic should not continue any further.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Juronimo on December 08, 2004, 11:14:33 AM ---Shallow, all you have demonstrated here is that Nas didn't get his facts straight at times, whoopdy fuckin doo. You have failed to demonstrate however that he is racist. Why did he diss Kobe, OJ and Tiger? It's obvious but apparently yall don't see it, let me break it down for you.
Kobe: Gets in trouble in Colorado, then tried to snitch on Shaq to get himself out of it, then proceeds to destroy the Laker franchise in the process.
Tiger: Gets props in golf, embraced by the black community but calls himself "caliblasion" or whatever that was, which was pretty much a fuck you to those who supported him. It's not like the white golfers accepted him, they were making fried chicken and watermelon jokes about him.
OJ: Ditched his black wife for his white trophy wife, forgets that he's black, kills his trophy wife and tries to run home, hires Johnny Cochran to play the race card, black community supports him, after all he's one of us right? Right....
That's why Nas dissed these fools. Them having white wives is immaterial, shit I've messed with white girls myself. It's their behavior that he along with other black folks find repulsive. That's why he called them out.
It has nothing to do with how they act specifically or being articulate or any of those kind of issues that others brought up. It has to do with their behavior period. If you watched the movie Bamboozled, the whole premise of the movie was the critique of the new millenium minstrel show, which is basically where black actors, entertainers or rappers debase themselves by playing upon fucked up stereotypes in order to sell records or to make it big in movies. We have this in hiphop, we have this in acting. A lot of black folks have a problem with this due to the fact that we as a people are judged by the worst among us, by the shucking and jiving negro that will appear on movies like Soul Plane, trying to get that extra buck from massa. That's what Nas is talking about here.
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Word! Word is Bond! Excellent explanation, case closed.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Lost Angel on December 09, 2004, 04:01:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 09, 2004, 03:44:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: SGV on December 09, 2004, 03:21:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the Harbinger on December 09, 2004, 11:44:02 AM ---
That's beyond the point. With that comment you admit that you actually would see it as a diss to your culture and race and people, therefore you should apologize for accusing me of being mad cause I can't diss blacks like Nas can. End of story.
--- End quote ---
No. It's not beyond the point. The fact is, Latinos and Blacks are virtually one in the same, so it's not realistic. Sorry. You're mad you can't say what you want about Blacks, why Nas, a Black man, can. Live with it.
--- End quote ---
Aren't latinos direct descendants of the people that first started bringing over black slaves?
--- End quote ---
actually latinos are brown people, descendants of the people who got their land jacked by Europeans. If you turn on Spanish tv, it's all white not as a reflection that white people live in Mexico or Central or South America, because that's not true, it's a reflection that white people rule basically all of Latin America, and the brown people that come to the US are often the brown people that can't get a job or make any money to support their families in Latin America. In the end, it's the same struggle against a common person that always seems to be on top.
But on the real, this thread needs to be locked, because no one seems to understand where the black/brown opinion is in all this. This thread is basically angry white men, mad at comments Nas made that were intented to be controversal. That song was made for this reason, and they feel right into it, I tried to explain it all in a very nice way, actually using what I know as a minority, and expressing it with my college education. I even took my time to spell words right. And it's still the same. This proves you can't explain the minority point of view to white people, because it's too hard for them to think of life in any other way than from their own view. Where as a minority can think in both sides, because we live as minorities, but it's a white man's world, and we have to learn to live in a white man's world and be successful. This topic should not continue, because it's getting no where because it's impossible to explain to people that can't understand. It's like speaking Japanese to a man that's lived in a small village in Mexico his whole life and knows nothing but Spanish. This topic should not continue any further.
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Did you read my post prior to this one? The one where I break down my ancestory.
And Latinos are not full mayan of aztec. They are just as much spanish. Spain was conquered by Muslim for centuries. Many parts of Spain has brown people as well.
I am not an angry white guy getting mad at Nas because of this song or because he's black. If Eminem came out and did a song about how all whites feel guilty about their role in slavery and try to be black to feel better, then I'd stand against that as well.
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